Mother of Star Hobson does not deserve sympathy

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Am I being unreasonable to be absolutely sickened by this article? I get that this man is traumatised by what happened to his family, but how could anyone be so blinded as to see Star's mother as some sort of innocent victim? She was a cruel and neglectful mother who was too infatuated with her new partner to protect her baby daughter. Yes, I know she has a low IQ and learning difficulties. However, to use this as a constant excuse is an absolute insult to the many, many people in this country with learning difficulties (many of whom are parents) who would never, ever think it is acceptable to stand by and watch whilst their child is horrifically abused.

Let's not forget that that people are paid for their stories like this. Victim or not, someone's got money from this rag for doing this.

Sterilisation is a disgusting thing to suggest. Churchill and his cronies wanted anyone with mental health issues sterilised. That would be me as I have ADHD. It’s vile.

I followed the trial and read every word of the trial transcript. I have no sympathy for the murderer obviously, but I am not without sympathy for the mother. I feel she can be rehabilitated with the right support.

Both she and her 'vile ex' should have received the same sentence, his granddaughter is as guilty for allowing the abuse to happen as the abuser. I assume she had a free lawyer better at spinning a sob story.

Where can I read about the investigation into social services concerned in this case? Because this is the second headline here. I remember reading with absolute horror about their failure to intervene when Star's story was first in the news ... this isn't something that has emerged since this interview (which I haven't read).

All local authorities will have a website that publishes its serious case reviews. It may not have concluded yet, though.

Sterilisation is a disgusting thing to suggest.

How is sterilisation AFTER a child has been murdered disgusting??? We're not talking about eugenics here of innocent people with learning or mental health difficulties. We're talking about women who kill their children.

And the thing about human rights is, they're actually not absolute. You're right to a family life is already infringed when you're children are removed

But it's considered necessary. Same argument can be made for sterilisation bearing in mind that procreating is a privilege. Women who kill don't shrivel up and die when they can't birth another baby (that will be removed instantly)

How the hell did Savannah Brockhill manage to convince social services that she was no risk to Star? I can only conclude that she really must be a master manipulator. On that basis I can possibly understand that Frankie, with her learning difficulties, was maybe in fear of her, but that's being very generous and very lenient.
Maybe Frankie just didn't give a shit about her child? I hope beyond hope that she is not allowed to care for a child ever again.

There was a national review:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-review-into-the-murders-of-arthur-labinjo-hughes-and-star-hobson

I think of all the people to be judged in this the great grandfather isn't one.

He tried to report. He tried to protect Star and Frankie.

He was accused of being "anti gypsy and homophobic".

He took in and cared for that beautiful girl for a few months of her short life.

He tried to do everything possible to prevent this absolute tragedy. He was ignored. He was accused of being malicious.

The guilt he must feel for not being able to stop it despite his best efforts must be unmeasurable.

It's understandable he wants to do what he can to makes amends.

He even says not all the family agree with him. I think he's very open and honest and I have respect for what he tried to do and his honesty afterwards.

I think it angers us all. However, that doesn't change she also has a story and yes this man will know the story better than the mail.

She is still a human and like other posters I don't agree with what she took part off. I am able to see she also is a victim.

Have you ever been the subject of interest for a shit rag? One of DP's friends has. It's over 25 years later and he still gets them emailing, calling, contacting his friends and family, threatening him with 'Well, we're going to run with it anyway, so you might as well have your side presented/oh, so you're happy with this - we'll publish that you don't care and it was their own fault, then'. Or if he is struggling and goes to a pub, a stranger is friendly to him, offers to buy him drinks and after a couple, it's straight to the 'have you ever lost somebody you loved?' to try to get him sobbing and crying about it.

There's also some cunt that's been wanting to make money by making a crime documentary about the case to show on Channel 4 for the last decade. She's not happy about the refusal to give her a filmed interview so she can make shitloads and he can switch on satellite TV to see his trauma every couple of weeks for the next twenty years, read about randoms discussing how there 'must to be more to it', etc. She's broken up at least one relationship by the pressure she's put on the partner's parents and siblings.

They're shit stains on humanity looking for things to thrill the punters' outrage and wish for salacious gossip.

A victim, but not one bit of me feels sorry for her. Why couldn't she have just left the baby with her Grandparents where she was safe and loved, if she wanted to stay with that monster? Utterly heart breaking. The fact that social services did not stop this is a catastrophic failure on their part and I just pray lessons have been earned.

Of course she should be sterilised, she must never be allowed to care fir a child again. It would be kinder to her anyway as the baby would be taken away.

Christ this is awful.

It's partly why I find true crime stories quite distasteful. How can viewers be sure that all close relatives are happy having the case raked up again.

An IQ of 70 is very low - that’s not just a learning difficulty that’s learning disability territory.

She was (and is) extremely vulnerable. I agree with the PP that this was a massive SS/healthcare failure from the moment she was pregnant. She should have been receiving far more intervention and support which would have given her (and Star) more protection from predatory people.

She is totally unable to care for a child, attend to the needs of the child, put a child first - and this is the tragic outcome and it was totally avoidable with proper support from services.

She is responsible for allowing Stars death absolutely - I would struggle to ever get past that if she was my family. I’m not sure I could tbh. But the services that failed them both are also share responsibility for allowing it to happen imo.

Savannah - well she can just go rot as far as I’m concerned.

That family has been blown apart by what happened they look like good people who took in a great grand child and for that to happen just beyond belief. Social services were too keen to appear non racist to travellers than protecting that beautiful child. I too read the whole of the court transcripts and was shocked- Frankie wasn’t in the car when Brockhill took Star to her work and repeatedly punched her. Worse bit for me was when Brockhill went to Styal on remand to meet with her cousin she was running the prison very quickly

Almost as vile as beating a baby to death eh.

I worked with people with learning difficulties and often their babies are removed. Its sad for them, but the child's welfare needs be paramount. The particular person I am thinking of had clearly been taken advantage of as there was no way she would have been able to have consented to sex.

There was no partner on the scene in this case but the woman did go on to have a second child four years later.
The mother was allowed to keep him because she was living with her parents when he was born but Social Services remained heavily involved for a long time.

I suspect this is why he did the article (possibly some pressure from paper too) - to make it clear family had concerns and did try and raise the alarm.

I suspect they hope that few family members still in contact - seem like him and occasional phone calls to her Mum- that perhaps she can come out and have their limited support - they probably still love her see the child she once was and want to help her move forward best she can and worry about future exploitation of her as with IQ of 70 they are probably painfully aware of her limitations and vulnerabilities - it's clearly torn the entire family apart.

I think her behavior was bloody awful and she could have done so much more to protect her child - I honestly can't see any SS department letting her keep another child - but she is coming out of prison at some point.

I didn't get him minimising or even forgiving her for her crimes more accepting, from someone who knew her well, she had vulnerabilities and who thinks her life could have gone a very different way, and is at minute refusing to turn his back on her despite his clear upset and anger at what Star endured.

The problem is it’ll keep happening. Frankie Smith is a perfect example of a prime target of these abusers: lone young mum, learning difficulty/vulnerable, no SS involvement.

I feel sorry for her grandad, they looked after Star for a while and Frankie’s family kept phoning social services on her.

Star's grave this year at Easter.

Her family have not forgotten her and reported the abuse to social services to no avail.

Frankie only got eight years. Her daughter suffered terribly and was brutally murdered.

So now low IQ is an excuse for allowing your child to get murdered? Everyday we hit a new low in this progressive race to the bottom. I thought ‘minor attracted persons’ was bad enough.

The ‘be kind’ brigade will stop at nothing to award themselves with the status symbol of being progressive. Nothing. They will find an excuse for everything.