Mother of Star Hobson does not deserve sympathy

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12385875/amp/Family-murdered-Star-Hobson-looking-forward-welcoming-home-mother-allowed-toddler-die-hands-girlfriend-say-victim-tragedy.html

Am I being unreasonable to be absolutely sickened by this article? I get that this man is traumatised by what happened to his family, but how could anyone be so blinded as to see Star's mother as some sort of innocent victim? She was a cruel and neglectful mother who was too infatuated with her new partner to protect her baby daughter. Yes, I know she has a low IQ and learning difficulties. However, to use this as a constant excuse is an absolute insult to the many, many people in this country with learning difficulties (many of whom are parents) who would never, ever think it is acceptable to stand by and watch whilst their child is horrifically abused.

I’m afraid I agree, I know that there is an argument that she was also abused, but I read this last night and after reading about the attack in the car I sobbed. I imagined that little girl strapped into a car seat with no where to go receiving constant punches for 3 hours. It’s interesting that Frankie’s sentence was doubled, I don’t know why that happened? I get there is more nuance in this, but I was so sickened to read the details I just struggle to feel anything but anger and disgust at those two women.

I think the article was balanced, it's good he's highlighting the fact that he and other members of the family reported concerns to social services FIVE times and were ignored. Note that he says he reported both his step daughter Frankie and her evil twisted partner, he doesn't try and absolve her of responsibility at any point in that article. Life isn't as straightforward or black and white as some on here think.

So this great grandfather has lost his infant great grandaugter to murder and his own son to suicide, and his granddaughter is in prison.

He tried to get help and was accused of being malicious. There was nothing more he could do, as a member of the public. He felt powerless.

He definitely seems dignified to me. I'd like to think I wouldnt welcome back such a person as this mother but none of us here have gone through this.

It's not like he's an enabler who cries that she's innocent. He's a father and great/grandfather who's family has been ruined

And I have zero issue with this man telling his side or him welcoming his step granddaughter back, I presume he just wants some form of peace after it all, but I am just saying I can’t control my feelings towards her and her vile ex.

Definitely. Victim or not, is irrelevant to me. Should should not have been allowed a child in the first place, but there you go.

But I can understand Star's great grandfather wanting to heal and wanting his family. So sad for both Star and her grandfather.

You have to have experience of intellectually disabled people to understand. I've worked with them for many years. Most of them are nice human beings just like people with normal IQs but there is not the same level of empathy and they are extremely vulnerable to being abused.

I've no doubt that due to their limited empathy and vulnerability most of the people I've worked with would also stand by and let that happen to their child.
It's very sad that these people most often attract monsters and parasites

For the deaths of his great grandchild and son?

This poor man has been through unimaginable tragedy, losing his great grand-daughter and his son in horrific circumstances, and with his vulnerable granddaughter in prison having totally failed to protect her child.

Its breathtakingly arrogant to think you're in any sort of position to judge how he feels.

My daughter has a friend who was removed from her mother shortly after birth due to her mother having learning difficulties.
She was raised by her grandparents.

I thought he was the partner of Frankie's grandmother.

Frankies dad did not kill him self over this his oldest daughter has clarified that numerous times, no one knows what this family has been through they see one article and feel they know all the ins and outs they don't, frankie has no sympathy from the place she grew up and definitely won't be able to return here she wouldn't survive David does in no way want money from these articles he probably shouldn't do them because of how much he's judged a bad person which he isn't not by a long shot

Also David would welcome her back but the majority of her family will not they don't speak to her at all

Apparently the mother (Frankie) was only 17 (nearly 18) when Star was born, and 19 when she died. She was still playing with dolls at 16.

Not that that makes anything okay of course. But further highlights how vulnerable she was maybe.

I remember a TV programme a couple of years ago about child social services - there was a very young mother featured who also had a low IQ. It was discussed on here at the time. The young mum seem seemed like a good mum to her baby who was about 1. But she was in a relationship with a volatile older man. They removed the baby from her care, and her relationship and vulnerability seemed to be the main reason. Not absolving social services either, but they must have such difficult decisions to make all the time. So sad.

Tabloid scum "journalism" innit

Why shouldnt she have been 'allowed' a child, as far as has been reported she didnt have a violent past or anything? Are you suggesting women with low IQs shouldn't have babies? Surely the actual issue is that there isn't the appropriate support available to these women, even when family members have reported concerns to social services nothing was done in this case? Seems a bit of a questionable view and slippery slope. I do wonder if the monster was a man the opinions of some and how much of a 'victim' she was would be different.

Frankies dad did not kill him self over this his oldest daughter has clarified that numerous times

Not being today but where? It's been said many times that this was the reason, or at least part of the reason. I struggle to believe he committed suicide completely independent of the fact that his granddaughter was murdered by his own daughter. And irrespective of him saying he wanted to go to heaven to be with her

Why shouldnt she have been 'allowed' a child, as far as has been reported she didnt have a violent past or anything? Are you suggesting women with low IQs shouldn't have babies?

She'd been reported multiple times and wasn't protecting her child of 1 year who had a massive bruise on her face.

I'm quite happy to say that she should not have any child.

Can you explain why she shouldn’t have been allowed a child in the first place?

Cross post. So you mean there should have been intervention because of the very clear abuse as opposed to she should never have been allowed to be a mother? Because they’re two very different things, I agree with you on the first but the second is totally out of order.

There is no such order available to the courts in this land. In fact an order can only be made regarding any baby once they’re actually born. I have done many a mad dash to court after a birth of a baby to a mother who was going to be unable to care.

See above. Why do you think she should be allowed to have her child? @RJnomore1 given that she was reported for allowing such serious abuse? SS should have intervened and said no more.

Yes I agree with that, hence the part of my post you've (probably purposefully) omitted. I read it as shouldn't have been allowed a child as in shouldn't have been able to get pregnant and give birth rather than shouldn't have been able to keep the child she had- is this not what you meant?

@kinkii at the time it was first put in the papers she had commented on all of them on Facebook and other groups that were all discussing it there was a lot to his death which are private to the family his dad went to the papers about it it's possible I saw them all because I do know the family and see the comments on social media

I never understand why the parent who allows a child to be beaten and killed gets a shorter sentence than the parent/step parent who does the killing. To me they are equally to blame.

After the reports were made, sorry. She should not have had Star or any child because she's completely incapable of looking after a child.