Mother of Star Hobson does not deserve sympathy

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12385875/amp/Family-murdered-Star-Hobson-looking-forward-welcoming-home-mother-allowed-toddler-die-hands-girlfriend-say-victim-tragedy.html

Am I being unreasonable to be absolutely sickened by this article? I get that this man is traumatised by what happened to his family, but how could anyone be so blinded as to see Star's mother as some sort of innocent victim? She was a cruel and neglectful mother who was too infatuated with her new partner to protect her baby daughter. Yes, I know she has a low IQ and learning difficulties. However, to use this as a constant excuse is an absolute insult to the many, many people in this country with learning difficulties (many of whom are parents) who would never, ever think it is acceptable to stand by and watch whilst their child is horrifically abused.

Totally agree with the OP.

Okay yes I fully agree with that, it read differently to me but things often can on here. I'd hope no one would disagree on that point!

We have women on here all the time with shitbag men who are a danger to them and their children and for whatever reasons, they aren't leaving.

Where is Star's actual father? We never heard anything about him.

@tescocreditcard he disappeared after he stole all the money raised for stars head stone and a bench in the local.park

I feel the same and have zero forgiveness when I read any abuse story, children, the elderly or animals.

This is honestly the first time i have read that this is not a popular opinion. I totally agree with you!

I agree with you OP. I also feel the same way about people who choose to kill their innocent young children in murder suicides like the case in Australia recently.

I don’t think the mother of Star should ever be released from prison personally. Star was an innocent little girl who had a whole life ahead of her which she was robbed of. How could her mother just sit back and let it happen? She should never ever be allowed to have children again and I hope social services makes sure that if she does then they are taken away from her.

I agree then. Although if she has been given appropriate support it might have been a totally different story. It’s completely awful, and I have loads of sympathy for social workers usually as I know how much pressure they are under but in this case the actual family tried and tried to tell them. Perhaps it’s also a sign of just how manipulative the partner is?

Given the significance of her learning difficulties I would have thought there would have been pre birth assessments and a plan in place, possibly the level of family support she had before she met the partner meant they felt it wasn’t needed.

She’s shown she can’t care for a child’s needs to the point she’s dangerous so I would imagine if she does become pregnant again it would be very difficult for her to prove she should be allowed to keep the baby.

However with family support she might still be able to do something with her life and she’s very young, she’s got many years ahead so surely that’s better for everyone than her falling in with another bad crowd?

So so sad and to think social services and her family were aware of abuse. There should be more powers in place for quicker intervention to prevent these needles deaths

They will no doubt attract those types of people unfortunately, due to being so vulnerable themselves. There has to be some sort of discussion though as to what should happen if a pregnancy should occur. The children must be the main consideration here.

Innocent? No. Victim? Yes, I believe she is or was. You can be a victim and a terrible mother at the same time. Hell, you can be a victim and abuser at the same time. As in, victim of your partner’s abuse and abuse/neglect your child. Not condoning it btw.

As for her family defending her, I understand them doing this completely. Hopefully they can support her enough when she does leave prison so that she can avoid toxic relationships in the future and therefore break the cycle. Her past and her low IQ makes her very vulnerable. The ultimate victim in this will always be baby Star.

Don't give her sympathy then. The people that care about her can do so whatever you think about it.

Why shouldnt she have been 'allowed' a child, as far as has been reported she didnt have a violent past or anything? Are you suggesting women with low IQs shouldn't have babies?

Not without significant intervention and help.

Not least because children need a lot of educational support in the early years and a person with a limited IQ would struggle more than the average person to provide this.

People without learning difficulties can struggle to look after children let alone those who do.

FWIW I feel for the mother also. She was in a situation that no one with such disadvantages should be in. She had a child-like mind and attracted a monster.

I see this case as almost totally a SS and wider healthcare system failure.

Frankie was both a victim and a perpetrator. She should have protected Star but she was being manipulated by a much older sociopath. And an IQ of 70 is extremely low.

Social services didn't bother to do anything despite being called multiple times, they kept closing the case. Why??

With her low IQ and what happened to Star, in the future every child she has will be taken from her at birth. The family are probably trying to position themselves for custody/ guardianship.

🙁I ought to feel shocked learning that. But I don't. I just feel even more sad.

Glad I don't live in Keighley.

I could cry and cry when I see pictures of Star.

It is unfathomable to me that the mother didn't understand she needed to get her baby away from the beast that was abusing her.

I recognise she was vulnerable but I struggle to understand how instinct didn't kick in.

She most definitely shouldn't be allowed to have more children. Forced sterilisation would be the only positive to come out of this wretched situation.

I used to work in the legal dept of a local authority. They had a case where a couple had child after child taken into care at birth. I left when the mother was in her eleventh pregnancy, and they were getting ready to remove that child from her care as well.

She had a baby every year, save for the year her partner was in prison - for threatening to kill one of the social workers involved in the case. It made me understand why some people are in favour of compulsory sterilisation.

This 100%

She has got the most beautiful headstone now though his parents paid for it and the bench in the park is a lovely memorial for her ❤️ we were all happy to do more fund raising

I think he sounds like an admirable and loving man who has been through terrible tragedy. I’m glad that he has the strength and courage to take responsibility for this vulnerable woman. She evidently needs guidance and hopefully he will be able to help her do something positive with her life in the future.

Forced sterilisation would make us a draconian state. One step behind forced abortion.

People like that need help, family and community.

I wonder if she had a low IQ naturally.

Apparently it’s because her partner was a traveller and claimed the complaints were due to this and they agreed they were malicious.

So many children failed during lockdown