I have no words - woman now stranded after wanting to give birth in St Lucia (on the beach...)

[Nanny0gg]

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/new-mum-stranded-after-being-8669669

What on earth were they thinking??

@sunglassesonthetable if I were writing this as a novel, I would totally steal your no nationality Child of the Sea type plan!! 😭

I'm always amazed when it's a couple that does something stupid. If I had said to DH that I wanted to give birth on a Caribbean beach he would have rolled his eyes and said "no you're being ridiculous"

KFC, McD and Burger King are private enterprises that have no interest in or responsibility for ensuring you are fed pizza.

Whereas the state should have an interest in ensuring a baby is documented and not being trafficked.

I was feeling rather ‘Freeman of the Land’ about him too.

Reading this, I looked up how long UK passport holders can stay visa-free in Martinique (90 days), Saint Lucia (42 days) and Grenada (90 days).

So that explains the island-hopping, at least.

I’m going to say she has a British passport. She may have a British parent herself. Or other nationality if we want more intrigue!

I don't know enough about immigration/nationality law to know whether if a mother has a British passport/citizenship but is not British-born whether that passport/citizenship right is automatically passed to her children or not. Once she has proved they are actually her children, obviously .

Anyway, it's all speculation because we don't know:

1. Whether they are legally married and have a certificate to prove that.
2. Whether she has naturalised as a British citizen or not.

It's easy to see why it's flummoxed small Caribbean countries who aren't accustomed to fuckwittery - mum and dad who may be married but haven't got anything to prove it, mum and dad using different surnames, mum potentially a foreign national on a non-UK passport, pitch up with no paper work and ta-dah! a baby!!

2016 also coincides with an issue on the leasehold with the property that the couple were at. There was a massive expense that the residences ended up seeking legal advice on but were liable for a large bill between them.

Freeman of the land commonly believe that people are only bound by the contracts and laws they have explicitly consented to. Thus if Clive were to suddenly be hit with a large bill he thought unfair then the movement would have a certain attraction. They do believe in the use of fictional names to effectively dodge liability and refuse to consent to the law. And lo and behold another Clive pops up at this exact point.

They believe that the only law that everybody is obliged to obey is what they call ‘common law’, which normally refers to case law but in the minds of Freemen is actually closer to ‘natural law’ or ‘universal law’. Sounding like a disregard for borders here?

So yeah, I think I'd be surprised if this isn't the root cause of their self inflicted drama.

Whereas the state should have an interest in ensuring a baby is documented and not being trafficked.

What "state"? St Lucia isn't interested as the parents have no link to St Lucia and can't prove the baby was born on their territory. St Lucia try their best to sort out the mess, but before it's complete, the dafties fuck off to Grenada to start the whole process again. The whole thing is a total mess.

“2016 also coincides with an issue on the leasehold with the property that the couple were at.”

?!!! 😳 link please! You’re good!
I’ll swap you Clive stopping recording his event times.
I’m not convinced by Freemen of the Land, because whatever the tinhattery, I’m a runner and we do not give up our continuous event times willingly 🤣

ble if I were writing this as a novel, I would totally steal your no nationality Child of the Sea type plan!! 😭

This thread is amazing! 🤩

Wouldn't surprise me if David was also Clive.

It goes
David 2014
Clive FP 2014 - 2017
Clive F 2016 - 2018

At the same address. Which is a small two bedroom apartment.

Iuliia/Yuliya is there throughout this period.

So she's either shacked up with three separate men with similar names in consecutive order or it's the same bloke who keeps changing his name.

Following this with equal over-investment and am inclined towards the botched surrogacy deal theory as the most likely explanation of the one-way tickets. I note in passing though that the Times refers to ‘Mr and Mrs Gurzhii’ and that ‘claim’ is often used when referring to their story, as though indicating a strong degree of scepticism.
Is Clive also Russian/Kyrgistani and has anglicised his first name?

https://www.tamesidecorrespondent.co.uk/2021/01/28/apartment-owners-facing-near-1-million-bill-to-repair-culvert/

Have no reason to believe this.

So Clive was living with Iuliia, Clive F, & David F at one point.

His DC from another relationship I'm guessing. Where is their mother?

I'd pay good money to hear her take on all this.

Decided to leave till paper tomorrow. Give the journos time to catch up with MN.

I'm seeking no a cross between - Death in Paradise, Man in a Canoe and only Fools and Horses.

I'm seeing

Further proof he’s a wrong-un! Who the fuck would change their name from David to Clive? 🤣

😂

No.

Iullia/Yuliya appears on the record in 2014
In 2014 it's Dave.
Then it's Clive FP
Then it's Clive Fr
In succession. With an overlap of a year each time on the records which is typical.

I've used electoral roll records for my family history and it's usual for someone dead to appear on the records for the year after they die and then they drop off because of the time-lag in changing the records of there is a change. If it's a name change I would expect an overlap not for it to be spot on when it changed.

There are only two people who live at that address. Not five from the different names on the records.

There was a Clive [surname used by the bad driver] whose birth was registered in the June quarter (April, May,June) 1972. This fits with the age given for the man in the article about the car accident. Mother's maiden surname of James.

Searching for any other births with surname Fitzpatrick, mother's maiden name James doesn't throw up many matches - fairly unusual combination. One in 1935, one in 1988.

But also in the 2nd Qtr of 1972, there was another birth registered of a Stuart Fitzpatrick, mother's maiden name James, in Bexley, Kent.

Coincidence, or more weirdness?

There are also a couple of marriages which are potentially Clive but potentially not. One to a woman called Christine in 3rd Qtr 2003 in Manchester, another to a Vivienne in Cornwall in August 1995. Could be both, could be neither.

There are only two people who live at that address. Not five from the different names on the records.

Yes saw your info.

I'd cross posted before your update.

Gutted there is no ex mrs Clive F to dish the dirt.

The marriage records arent searchable in the period that I think likely so I've ignored that.

Ignored the birth stuff too as Id already got to the point of questioning what his birth name actually is.

Too many name changes going on to be confident in that.

The electoral records with her name linked with his are fairly reliable with such unusual names though in terms of address though.

Cant discount the possibility there is an ex-wife. No reason to believe he wasn't married previously. Just no conclusive evidence for a marriage either though.

Cant discount the possibility there is an ex-wife. No reason to believe he wasn't married previously. Just no conclusive evidence for a marriage either though.

Yes