I have no words - woman now stranded after wanting to give birth in St Lucia (on the beach...)

[Nanny0gg]

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/new-mum-stranded-after-being-8669669

What on earth were they thinking??

The elder daughters first name is published in one article. She does not have Iuliia's surname. (No births under that surname)

But not her last name which could/probably be the same as Clives's. Which we don't know either.

And which is very consciously left out.

That's where my thought process is going too. Is their marriage legal?

The surname of the 'other Clive' got me thinking too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land_movement

The 'other Clive' pops up on the electoral role in 2016. Clive the BadDriver drops off the records I can see in 2017 (would be typical to have an overlap with a name change). If this is one and the same person, Clive hasn't always been living with Iuliia. I can't see later than 2020 though.

There are some major inconsistencies going on here. There is a theme of anti-establishment and hippie thinking that runs through that possibility though and the fuckwittery of the birth and their occupations. Which would eliminate a surrogacy idea.

Certainly not suggesting anything nefarious. But would potentially pose a bureaucratic issue.

She has Clive’s surname. Birth certificate very easy to find online. Iuliia is her mother. So we can discount the step parent drama.

You people are good! 👍🏻

And the potential weird conspiracy theorist name change coincidence?

@Saschka Why do you think they're not reporting Clive's surname?

Oh, the child’s name has no bearing on that. Clive was still Mr Clive Bad-Driver when the first daughter was born. The name changes were all later on.

Yep agreed.

Would Clive BadDriver/Conspiracy Theorist be keen on getting his elder daughters passport renewed?

Would fit in with the vitamin point made upthread too.

A couple of the Ukrainians I met last year and go to know well a massive distrust of authority too. Their Russian relatives were even worse and were into all sorts of bollocks conspiracy theories. To the point that it was 'eye opening' and I had a look into how typical it was. It is apparently something of a thing (though still not common) for living under Russian media influence due to the efforts to destroy 'trust in the truth'.

It has the potential to add up. If Clive the BadDriver did change his name it's certainly an interesting choice that begs questions along these lines.

I keep thinking about commercial surrogacy being legal in the Ukraine and parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.

I think Clive’s name change is easy to explain.

In 2016, 192 has him living in a Tameside address with Yuliya Gurzhii, a Clive Freeman, a Clive Fitzpatrick and a David Fitzpatrick.

In 2016 he is convicted - as Clive Fitzpatrick - of dangerous driving. This is still a first page hit on Google for his name, and they mention the fell running too - so it’s going to stay easily searchable.

All his many running times logged as Clive Fitzpatrick stop abruptly (he was injured, but not that badly). He was 44.

In 2017, you can pick up online running results for a Clive Freeman in the M45 category (over 45s) and in 2019 he’s also got his picture on a meditation sales site as Clive Freeman.

So I reckon Clive Freemen is his dad, and he used the surname. Possibly Fitzpatrick was his mother? So he wasn’t easily searched and linked to his driving conviction past.

They possibly are reporting the name he’s told them. If you look at the photos in the news articles (probably taken by a passer by with his phone) they say copyright Clive Gurzhii. So when speaking to the press, he may simply have told them they use her name. Cos Freeman is just a “borrowed” name and he knows that any journalist is going to find car crash (literally) Clive Fitzpatrick in seconds online.

Heaven only knows how women in landlocked countries give birth 'naturally'?

Or at the height of the Freeman of the Land bollocks in the UK, someone changed his name

In 2016, billboards in the UK advertised the freeman on the land concept of "legal name fraud", a variation of the strawman theory claiming that "all legal names are owned by the Crown, and therefore using a legal name without their written permission is fraud".

Would very much explain having a total disregard for paperwork and borders which would appear totally feckless to any sane and rational person.

It's a funny coincidence isn't it? That particular surname popping up. Of all surnames there could be. Accompanied by what looks like an alternative lifestyle in many respects.

Clive Freeman is all over the internet, he has been using it for ages. I'm sure that the surname on his passport/ airline ticket / credit card and name on the marriage certificate don't align hence adding to the complexity for gaining birth certificate for baby, ie what father surname do the authorities use?

Hmm, interesting. If we think he might be a Freeman of the Land, maybe the plan all along was to give birth in international waters?

”In a further twist of logic, they think that ‘register’ means ‘hand over to’ and therefore believe that registering a birth means handing over one’s child to the government (which is exchanged for a ‘berth’ certificate— another nautical reference).”

So maybe he has created a situation where his child cannot obtain a birth certificate… Obviously one or other of them may be regretting this now.

They possibly are reporting the name he’s told them. If you look at the photos in the news articles (probably taken by a passer by with his phone) they say copyright Clive Gurzhii. So when speaking to the press, he may simply have told them they use her name. Cos Freeman is just a “borrowed” name and he knows that any journalist is going to find car crash (literally) Clive Fitzpatrick in seconds online.

Good spot.

He didn't bank on MN though. Taking about 2 hrs. 😉

It's sounds cobbled together doesn't it. They are in desperate 'repair mode ' right now.

I wonder if the 8 year old is staying with his daughter?
Certainly little makes any sense!

It would not surprise me if the scenario is that Iuliia isn't married to Clive. Clive doesn't go by one surname because he doesn't believe that cos he's into Freeman of the Land shit. Iuliia isn't a British National either and may or may not be legally married to Clive. Neither believes in paperwork at all because it's how the people are exploited or some other numpty theory. So they fuck off to have the 'dream birth' and then realise that actually you need your shit in order if you give birth abroad. Both both have been living under various names for a while so there's no consistency and they can't prove shit. Because they've spent years deliberately doing this out of distrust for the state. Then when chickens come home to roost they expect the UK government to bail them out of their crap because they are who they say they are and everyone should just believe them, paperwork be damned.

Hmm, interesting. If we think he might be a Freeman of the Land, maybe the plan all along was to give birth in international waters?

Kooky but I like it.

Humble pie big time, for a 'Freeman of the Land' to be complaining about the British HC
not 'sorting it out'.

I love this version!

I REALLY want the press to follow up on this now, to see if I'm right about the Freeman thing!

I don't believe in coincidence though.

Exposing the pair as prize pillocks would be grand.

Oh it would be joyous.

I think the only thing we do know for sure right now is that they've already been exposed as prize pillocks

Icing. Cake.

Hmmmm.
I think they flew into Martinique, right?
No visa needed for U.K. passport.

For Russia or Ukraine (google tells me Gurzhii is most common in Russia and Kyrgyzstan) you need a visa with a FUCKTON of paperwork. Pay slips, proof of bank account, hotel reservations, letter from your employer stating you’re coming back! Original passport to be sent off to add the visa…

So if you just wanted a beach birth - or indeed if you wanted to get involved in a surrogacy handover in either direction - I don’t think you’d choose somewhere so hard to get into.

I’m going to say she has a British passport. She may have a British parent herself. Or other nationality if we want more intrigue!