I have no words - woman now stranded after wanting to give birth in St Lucia (on the beach...)

[Nanny0gg]

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/new-mum-stranded-after-being-8669669

What on earth were they thinking??

I think this is what's happened. They weren't meant to still be lumbered with the child, and everything they've done fits with this scenario.

The assumption is they were potentially buying a baby. Why? It's equally possible they were attempting to flog a baby and it didn't go to plan. These are people who seem to be on a long term holiday and living a lifestyle beyond their means.

I'd wondered if it could have been that way too? Hence the delay in presenting at hospital. And the expectation they'd have funds to cover this trip.

Worse thing about cases like this where not even the story about how they got to the position they are in - is that people then try and fill the gaps themselves.

I often wonder if people involved then dad online stories about their predicament and try and use some of the speculative ideas to create another narrative. For example find something feasible and use that!!!

Yes perhaps some type of unofficial surrogacy arrangement that has fallen apart and buyer hasn’t collected baby so now they need to bring baby home.

It would explain the dithering over getting the dna test, if the baby is not in fact both of theirs.

I expect the Manchester Evening News is on it. They will know all the background by now. Will be interesting to see if they publish it. If they don't, one would have to suspect there are legal issues.

What we really need is for someone to come on here who knows this pair of Fannies in real life!!!!!!

To say their story doesn’t add up is an understatement!!!!

This is definitely maths even Stephen Hawkins couldn't do!

The most natural birth is on a beach? who knew...I thought the most natural birth would be to just squat down anywhere, wrap it up, and get back to work.

I doubt the local woman of Martinique in years gone by used to give birth on the beach. They would’ve known it was a silly idea and an infection risk. Ah the luxury of being a hippy in a world with antibiotics.

Caicos is tiny compared to St Lucia, and Grand Turk even more so.

If you've taken weeks away to give birth on a beach, spent all that money on flights yachts etc. Left your daughter behind.

You have spectacularly fucked up if you end up doing it out at sea below deck.

You'd fly the the beach and stay put.

They never meant to imho.

Mind you.

@Dixiechickonhols “If Clive is one and the same in the newspaper court report he’s not known for his navigating ability”

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

That’s a good shout. I couldn’t understand the delay re dna and moving country before dna test but if baby isn’t biologically theirs (donor sperm or eggs or both) that explains it.
It also explains the sudden decamp from St Lucia to Grenada hoping Grenada may be more lax.

Maybe all of the sewage in our sea put them off doing it here. They were very optimistic it would go well and without a hitch. More money than sense by the looks of things.

I actually re-read the story yesterday on the MEN fb page just in the hope that the comments would throw up some inside info! 🤣 I’m far too intrigued by this!

WHERE IS OUR NEXT INSTALMENT?!!!

Caicos is tiny compared to St Lucia, and Grand Turk even more so.

Yep I know. 🙄

I haven't researched " labs on St Lucia " but I think it could be strong possibility certain tests are sent away, which could account for the time it was taking.

I wasn't throwing shade on St Lucia infrastructure fgs other than it's not going to be the same as here.

I think the baby is theirs. I don’t think they were surrogates or selling a baby. It just seems a bonkers place to go, to arrange a handover. I suppose Island nations for the sailing / smuggling opportunities. Like the purchaser was originally going to pull the, “surprise! I birthed a baby at sea!” line.

But the real explanation is usually the simplest, and we know he does mindfulness and her yoga which (no offence to either of them) puts them into the “possibly would decide to birth on a beach” camp.

Jokes aside about Skeggy, if they got the idea from that Josy woman last year, it’s not a beach birth but a water birth on the shore. You can have a water birth in 30° Caribbean waters (and that’s below a U.K. birthing pool) but you can’t in the April Skeg 12° waters. Not even just for her comfort - for the safety of the baby being born into that cold water.

I think they’re just thick. And selfish. And entitled.

But honestly, abandoning your 8 yo child for MONTHS with one-way plane tickets and some mad story about wanting to birth on a beach...

It's surely grounds for SS involvement? They might just be thick and selfish and entitled but at what point do they become too much of these things to be allowed to keep their kids?

It's the traumatised 8 yo I feel most sorry for. But it does all seem wildly shady and I think the real story must have much more info than is currently being reported.

The sort of people who can afford yacht rent are usually not panicking about 'running out of money' and having to put several grand on credit cards. If that's true.
That suggests they were being funded by some other venture.
I think the surrogate story is very likely and answers a lot of questions.

If there is something dodgy with paternity that could explain it. The mother may not be a UK national, or has immigration status short of citizenship. I am not sure of the ins and outs as it is ridiculously complicated but for example the mother is Latvian/Russian/Ukrainian, has indefinite leave to remain in the UK, live and work, but is not a UK citizen and is not entitled to a UK passport. Clive is British born and bred (how could he not be, with a name like Clive).

If the baby however is not biologically his, and there is no DNA link between Clive and the baby, just between the mother and the baby, getting British citizenship/passport for the baby gets a whole lot more complicated, doesn't it?

So I had a closer look at something.

There is no birth registered in the surname Gurzhii in England or Wales. None at all - not just for around the time she's born. Thats going to potentially complicate matters too in terms of paperwork. Just because Iullia is on the electoral register doesn't mean she's a UK citizen. You can be on it if you have residency because you are eligible to vote in local elections (but not general elections).

Clive may well be - hence going to the UK Consulate for help because any child of his would be eligible for UK citizen. But nothing here to say that Iuliia is definitely a UK passport holder and that might make things complex depending on their paperwork.

Iuliia may well be married to Clive. However this doesn't mean that she's a UK national though. She may just have UK residency. And actually, I'd wonder if they had marriage certificates with them. Given that it looks like she never took his surname, I have to say that might complicate matters - I've certainly found its been a ball ache with having kept my own surname at times. I have been told by a bank that it was illegal to have kept my surname in the past! There's further complications if you married abroad too in terms of paperwork.

Certainly, if he's a British national but she isn't and there's a child involved and they've not got the paperwork in order with them for a marriage, again they'd be an requirement for a DNA test.

That may well also complicate eligibility for a UK passport for a child they have born abroad.

Further to that Iuliia appears to have possibly gone under the name Yuliya at some points in the UK.

I'm off to get a paper. I'm hooked . 😅

But thoughts go to the two young daughters.

Surrogacy/Selling deal or just new age muppets, they got shafted with those parents.

Why are they not reporting his surname does anyone think?

To protect the elder daughter?

Cross posts.

You and I are thinking along the same lines @RedToothBrush . And their “marriage” was probably on a beach, conducted by a dolphin.

The elder daughters first name is published in one article. She does not have Iuliia's surname. (No births under that surname)

I did note in the newspaper report that it was Clive who had gone for the DNA test. Which could simply mean that they’re only going to pay for one, and it’s easier for him that s breastfeeding (if she is) mother to faff about travelling to the clinic. Or as you say, maybe his is the more “clear cut” citizenship.

“Further to that Iuliia appears to have possibly gone under the name Yuliya at some points in the UK.”

On this, I have a Ukrainian colleague with the surname Avdyeyev, who I traveled with years ago on a work trip and saw “Avdieiev” (or similar - that looks wrong actually, but anyway - no y and a lot of i!). I asked him and he said that different organisations have different ways of transposing from Cyrillic alphabet. He didn’t see either version as “his” name.

There are also regional /national variations in transposing to Roman alphabet. Remember how Kiev became Kyiv to British people, over night?

I expect there’s nothing nefarious about the Yulya / Iuliia change - but I agree it might add complication to the admin!