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To think that PARTNER is an inclusive word we should use

258 replies

KajsaKavat · 09/08/2023 11:06

Apropos the boyfriend on holiday thread I got a bit shocked how people reacted to OP describing him as partner and calling her out saying due to their ages he can only ever be a boyfriend.

I have teens myself and they all refer to the
person they’re dating as partner.
teens are all about being inclusive and using non gender specific terms, surely this is a good thing.

OP posts:
NotAMug · 11/08/2023 18:36

Tandora · 11/08/2023 18:23

What you’ve written is quite incoherent, I would wager the average teen today has a much more sophisticated understanding of gender diversity than this.

I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've read on this thread to be honest. The views that teens seem to hold are massively regressive when it comes to gender diversity. Maybe you need to look up the meaning yourself. I'm not even sure why I am engaging in this ridiculousness with you.

Tandora · 11/08/2023 18:56

NotAMug · 11/08/2023 18:36

I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've read on this thread to be honest. The views that teens seem to hold are massively regressive when it comes to gender diversity. Maybe you need to look up the meaning yourself. I'm not even sure why I am engaging in this ridiculousness with you.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

Tandora · 11/08/2023 19:00

Boomboom22 · 11/08/2023 18:31

Surely trans people have an issue with gender diversity, that's why they need to trans.

Not at all. Perhaps a useful resource for you:
https://genderedintelligence.co.uk/about-us/our-aims.html

About Us | Gendered Intelligence

https://genderedintelligence.co.uk/about-us/our-aims.html

NotAMug · 11/08/2023 19:03

Tandora · 11/08/2023 18:56

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

WTAF are you talking about. I think you need to stop. I work with both teens and people who are trans so please don't try to pretend to have any ides about my understanding. And a poem, grow up 🙄

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 04:26

Whenever I see the word 'inclusive' I shudder, because it normally means exclusively prioritising men. It's usually women that suffer ie with 'non gender specific' which is helping to erase women as sex class identity, such is what is happening with 'trans rights', at the expense of women. 'Inclusive' always seems to be at the expense of women and girls. 'Inclusive' and 'non gender specific' can get to hell. I want nothing to do with it or the pronoun garbage.

daisychain01 · 12/08/2023 04:39

The relationship stasi on here would have the heeby- jeebies about us then!

my now DH used to refer to me as his DW for the first 7 years of being together because he can't stand "Partner". I tended to say OH. We were in a LDR as well, 120 miles apart, so not formally living together or sharing finances. We did eventually sort everything out re getting together and getting married (major military logistical operation!) but I love the frothing and being ordered what you're "allowed" to say and not say on here Grin

daisychain01 · 12/08/2023 04:45

NotAMug · 11/08/2023 19:03

WTAF are you talking about. I think you need to stop. I work with both teens and people who are trans so please don't try to pretend to have any ides about my understanding. And a poem, grow up 🙄

I think you'll find the "poem" is the lyrics to Bob Dylan's classic, The Times they are A'Changin' Grin

LimeDrizzled · 12/08/2023 04:49

At that age I would only consider them a partner if they live together. Nothing wrong with boyfriend at that age!

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:15

CurlewKate · 09/08/2023 22:48

I still want to know- what do you call someone you've been with for 40 years, have children and a house with?

Agree with others. A cocklodger. A commitment-phobe with no respect for women. And the woman I'd call her giving the milk and cow away for free and not having self respect.

However, in the country I live in, DeFacto is used. It can mean DeFacto husband/DeFacto wife. You're either married or DeFacto.

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:17

CurlewKate · 10/08/2023 08:16

Right. So you think people in their 50s/60s should talk about their boyfriend/girlfriend?
There is no such thing as a common law wife/ husband.
And I'm not sure introducing someone to your boss as your "live in lover" is a good look! Or the plumber- "I won't be in on Thursday, but my live in lover will be there to let you in."

Why do people find the idea of unmarried couples so threatening?

Not threatening, we just find it sad. I pity the women.

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:19

Tandora · 10/08/2023 08:36

There are some that have jumped on the band wagon and like to tell people with 40+ years life experience that they know it all when in fact they are being completely ridiculous

You are clearly lacking some life experience . Gender diverse people existing 40+ years ago, just as they do today.

There is no such thing as 'gender diverse'. You're either male or female and have a male or female partner.

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:22

Bellyblueboy · 10/08/2023 10:30

my aunt is in a similar relationship - he is her companion!

they don’t live together - both widowed - I’m not even sure if it’s romantic - but they holiday together and go out to dinner etc.

Companion is a great term!

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:30

Tandora · 10/08/2023 13:35

I don’t understand how you can think this. Trans people have existed across all cultures, throughout all history. Please educate yourself.

Anyways not the point of this thread.

@Tandora I think you're the one who needs to educate yourself. Trans used to be transvestites, and they did not believe putting on a dress literally meant they had changed sex. You are are deeply ill-informed.

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:37

Tandora · 11/08/2023 18:21

You clearly don’t understand what it is to be gender diverse or trans.
Instead of leaping to judgements, based on a very narrow set of ideas and experiences, why don’t you listen with curiosity to someone who lives that experience everyday. You might learn a thing or twos

I think you sound quite brainwashed by gender ideology cult. The irony is it is the gender ideologists that are the one who have a very narrow set of ideas, BASED ON gender stereotypes. Try to think critically instead of falling for the current fad/cult.

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:39

Tandora · 11/08/2023 18:23

What you’ve written is quite incoherent, I would wager the average teen today has a much more sophisticated understanding of gender diversity than this.

The average teen may be brainwashed by the current 'gender diversity' fad, but that doesn't make them right. It makes them gullible and susceptible to the current fad. That's all. Adults know this 'gender diversity' stuff is just garbage.

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:41

Tandora · 11/08/2023 18:24

Lol. And yet here you are policing people’s identities based on sex stereotypes. Anyway.

You lack the ability to read and comprehend. They are pointing out that you are the one policing people's identities based on sex stereotypes. You, are the one doing that. Trans is all about SEX STEREOTYPES.

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:42

NotAMug · 11/08/2023 19:03

WTAF are you talking about. I think you need to stop. I work with both teens and people who are trans so please don't try to pretend to have any ides about my understanding. And a poem, grow up 🙄

They're brainwashed that one.

CurlewKate · 12/08/2023 05:58

@Sueveneers "Agree with others. A cocklodger. A commitment-phobe with no respect for women. And the woman I'd call her giving the milk and cow away for free and not having self respect. "
Gosh. Do you practice being that offensive or does it just come naturally?

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 06:06

@CurlewKate You asked for our opinions and that is genuinely what I, and many others, feel. Genuinely. I don't think it's offensive to say the woman is being taken advantage of and seems to lack self respect.

CurlewKate · 12/08/2023 06:19

@Sueveneers Well, actually I asked for an appropriate word to use, if not partner. The Cow and the Cocklodger sounds a bit Restoration Comedy-but worth a try, I suppose.

NotAMug · 12/08/2023 07:40

daisychain01 · 12/08/2023 04:45

I think you'll find the "poem" is the lyrics to Bob Dylan's classic, The Times they are A'Changin' Grin

Clever 🙄

Twentypastfour · 12/08/2023 08:03

HesDeadBenYouCanStopNow · 09/08/2023 11:17

Partner typically indicates a greater level of commitment than girlfriend/boyfriend/lover.

We use it, but we live together permanently but are not married. It feels appropriate for that status

I can't imagine a young person being at that point in their relationship, but I guess it's their own choice how they want to describe their significant other

This.

I’ve had a number of boyfriends but only ever one partner (who I later married). He was/ is my partner because we were /are sharing our lives together.

SerafinasGoose · 12/08/2023 18:31

CurlewKate · 12/08/2023 06:19

@Sueveneers Well, actually I asked for an appropriate word to use, if not partner. The Cow and the Cocklodger sounds a bit Restoration Comedy-but worth a try, I suppose.

Wish I were a playwright. That title would make a belter to rival even John Osborne!

SerafinasGoose · 12/08/2023 18:39

I have to laugh at the use of those particular Dylan lyrics - a song written in the context of and about the 60s civil rights movements - to make a point about gender fundamentalism. And there's no mistaking it; fundamentalism is precisely what it is.

Trans rights activism isn't a civil rights movement. It's a male supremacist one.

Tandora · 13/08/2023 09:18

Sueveneers · 12/08/2023 05:30

@Tandora I think you're the one who needs to educate yourself. Trans used to be transvestites, and they did not believe putting on a dress literally meant they had changed sex. You are are deeply ill-informed.

Trans used to be transvestites

nonsensical statement about semantics. You do realise that English isn’t the one universal global language right?

and they did not believe putting on a dress literally meant they had changed sex
What does this mean, and who believes this?
Total straw man. You clearly have no idea what being trans is so have invented some scary sounding nonsense in your head.