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Statement by the Chair of the Conservative Party

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newnamethanks · 08/08/2023 15:00

"If they don't like barges they should fuck off back to France". 30p Lee Anderson of course, not the BNP. Not the National Front or whatever their current name is. The Chairman of the Conservative Party. Supporters must be so proud. What a statesman. So Churchillian.

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AuntieJune · 08/08/2023 16:14

The irony is that if we were within the EU we would have had more control over who comes here. Brexit is responsible for more people coming here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-english-channel-migrants-small-boats-b2277505.html

Once upon a time, we had a grown up and respectful political discourse, now we have this man speaking in a way that would get you sacked in most jobs. It's absolutely revolting.

Brexit caused small boats crisis in English Channel, report finds

Rishi Sunak should admit ‘main factor’ behind problem so he can fix it, says Durham University study

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-english-channel-migrants-small-boats-b2277505.html

roarrfeckingroar · 08/08/2023 16:14

Twyford · 08/08/2023 16:02

They've chartered this thing at a ridiculous cost, probably on the basis that a few mates and party donors are making a nice profit out of it. They could save a fortune by taking up the French invitation to have an asylum processing base on French soil combined with offering safe passage, which would incidentally resolve the boat problem overnight. They could also save a fortune by processing those outstanding asylum claims, including getting the Immigration appeal system running to full capacity - I was reading how a number of part time immigration judges are twiddling their thumbs with no work to do, which is ludicrous.

But, of course, they don't want to do any of that, because it doesn't really appeal to the madder fringes amongst the Mail and Express reader vote. And they don't seem to have noticed that currently Labour are doing considerably better on immigration issues than they are, so far as the voters are concerned.

Honestly, it would make much more sense for them just to resign now rather than drag the country through another year of this ongoing disaster.

Yes but this would encourage even more migrants. Why should we take endless numbers of these men?

AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 16:15

Crikeyalmighty · 08/08/2023 16:10

The only way they are going to keep 'some' Tory votes are by bringing in the culture wars- please don't think this is deliberate - it is.

Expect full on UKIP /national front stuff about immigrants/foreigners / the 'elite' / anything a bit 'woke' - they need to appeal to the man out there and his gangsters moll who think Lee Anderson is a 'top bloke' - rather than the shallow opportunistic one dimensional twat he really is. I'm originally from his neck of the woods and sadly he is extremely typical in his attitudes and demeanour.

« Gangsters moll »
again, very important to remember that what may look like gross snobbery and sexism in fact isn’t when left wing people do it. It is a demonstration of how much more educated and intelligent than you they are, and you should immediately adopt their beliefs and attitudes (well to the extent you can, you idiotic prole).

Twyford · 08/08/2023 16:15

GCAcademic · 08/08/2023 15:48

Fair enough. They have an election campaign looming and know what will play well with the Great British public. They know it will also force Labour to say how they would house migrants and that their plans won't be a vote winner.

If we just put in place an efficient asylum processing process, the problem would be massively ameliorated. Those with no valid claim would be deported, those with a valid claim would move into the general population where they become the responsibility of separate housing authorities; and most will move into employment (where they are sorely needed) and will therefore be able to move towards renting for themselves. In due course many may end up buying their own properties and, indeed, some will follow the trajectory of immigrants who have set up very successful businesses and become massive contributors to the economy. Who knows, a future Home Secretary may spring from their ranks ...

RattleRattle · 08/08/2023 16:18

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DatumTarum · 08/08/2023 16:18

Breakoutbertha · 08/08/2023 16:13

@Twyford you seem to not want to answer me.
It's not Safe for me or my daughters to use our nature reserve now.
Why is their safety more important?

The Tories created that situation

Twyford · 08/08/2023 16:19

AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 15:50

Always a relief to see the likes of Bryant deployed where they can do no harm 😂

If he can edge Nadine out and precipitate another embarrassing by-election for the Tories, he will indeed have achieved well.

roarrfeckingroar · 08/08/2023 16:19

@Twyford yes but it would massively increase the numbers. Do we want what would be hundreds of thousands of damaged young men with potentially unsavoury attitudes towards women coming to the uk?

RattleRattle · 08/08/2023 16:20

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AgnesX · 08/08/2023 16:20

What a charmer, not.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 16:21

Breakoutbertha · 08/08/2023 15:57

@Twyford well it's safer than those still living in cladded tower blocks.

Well, if that's our standard comparator, great. Let's house Tory MPs on the barge, we don't need to pay for their second homes in London when we can offer them something safer than a cladded tower block, do we?

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You’re allowed to say it. You just did. What you can’t do is prevent people thinking poorly of you for it.

Yea2023 · 08/08/2023 16:22

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Seeing as this has all happened under a Tory govt, are you really saying that you will vote for more of the same?

ShinyYellowTeapot · 08/08/2023 16:22

@Breakoutbertha the Tories put them there and you hate it, so you're going to vote for them to carry on?! Make it make sense...

Crikeyalmighty · 08/08/2023 16:23

@AgathaSpencerGregson I'm not left wing , so you are making judgements there. I came from his area till I was 30 - it is full of women (of all income levels) going along with anything a bloke says providing he's bringing home the bacon- . The man still rules in that neck of the world. I'm going to bet you aren't from that background at all. As it happens I am not very sympathetic to those who could have stayed in France however if we had proper processes that could be done from a distance there would be fewer risking it- reasons they risk it? Often have family here and at one point there were gangs of native Brits over in their countries taking cash and feeding them shit about how easy it all was in the UK. Maybe Lee Anderson could actually say this in a factual dispassionate away -- rather than f* off if you don't like it- he knows that appeals more though

Breakoutbertha · 08/08/2023 16:23

It was our Labour council that approved it.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 16:24

BiscuitsandPuffin · 08/08/2023 15:56

I agree too. Immigrants have to go through France to get here. This is not their first safe country. They don't need to risk their lives on those boats to get to safety. They're already safe in France. They just don't want to live in France. God knows why, it's a lovely country.

Yet again, when will people get it through their heads that there is no "first safe country" rule for refugees, not least because if that were the case then the countries neighbouring trouble spots like Ukraine and Afghanistan would be wholly unable to cope. It's inevitable that refugees have to go through other countries to get to us, because we're an island. Does that mean we should never, ever take refugees? Should that have been our attitude back in the 1930s?

DatumTarum · 08/08/2023 16:28

Breakoutbertha · 08/08/2023 16:23

It was our Labour council that approved it.

Do you think that a Tory council would've refused it?

Despite the men being sent to your area by, a Tory government?

Twyford · 08/08/2023 16:29

BiscuitsandPuffin · 08/08/2023 16:00

I was homeless when I was 18 and fleeing domestic abuse from my mother. At the time parental domestic abuse wasn't recognised, only abuse from a man to a woman. I would have bitten the council's hand off for accommodation on a barge and 3 meals a day. Instead I had to sleep rough because I wasn't pregnant and hadn't chosen to get into the relationship with the person who had tried to murder me, and I wasn't eligible for benefits as I was in my final year of school. I was terrified and completely abandoned by the state. This whole situation is taking the piss. If immigrants don't want it, they should put British homeless people on it instead, and in all the hotels. I would have been so grateful.

Would you have been "so grateful" if you were told that you would only be allowed off the barge in very limited circumstances, that you would be sharing a room with a stranger, that the barge was built for a fraction of the numbers who were going to be living there, that everyone else (including large numbers of men) would be in the same situation cooped up all day so your safety could not be guaranteed - and that in the event of fire the chances were that you wouldn't escape?

Yea2023 · 08/08/2023 16:31

Breakoutbertha · 08/08/2023 16:23

It was our Labour council that approved it.

The Lab council approved a Travellodge to house men placed by a Tory Home Office?

Hotels up and down are opting to house them for the Tories as it’s lucrative.

The Tories have created the crisis via Brexit and winding down of processing.

If you voted Tory previously, this is what you voted for so enjoy.

https://www.hotelmanagement-network.com/news/private-firms-profit-from-uks-asylum-hotels/

Private firms profit from UK's asylum hotels

Private firms are making a substantial profit from the UK government's programme designed to shelter asylum seekers, the BBC reports.

https://www.hotelmanagement-network.com/news/private-firms-profit-from-uks-asylum-hotels/

itsgettingweird · 08/08/2023 16:32

Thing is it's so obvious it's propaganda.

Use rhetoric. Incite hated. Try and show the British people they are on their side and will stop the boats.

But this floating hotel houses 500.

It's not stopping the boats.

What happens to the next asylum seekers who arrive.

And the next.

And the next and so on.

They don't have any actual viable plans to process asylum claims and have turned down a partnership with France to create safe passage.

So we basically end up with large groups of disenfranchised males living together on a barge designed for half the number of people, that's unsafe and battered whipped up between asylum seekers and the people in the country they are seeking asylum in.

They aren't solving the problem. They are deliberately kicking it down the road to blame Labour later on as they are starting to be held to a point for the fact they are blaming Labour for their mistakes the past 13 years and people have stopped buying it.

horseyhorsey17 · 08/08/2023 16:33

I'd happily swap any of the incoming immigrants with 30p Lee - if he likes Rwanda so much, he can prove it by fucking off there and staying there.

Same goes for all the other idiots who've fallen for this depressingly jingoistic/racist bullshit about 'small boats.' Urgh.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 16:33

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When did I say that was what I was advocating?

What I want is that the Tories should focus on an efficient asylum processing system so that people don't have to be kept together like this, and so that non-genuine claimants can be deported.

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