Statement by the Chair of the Conservative Party

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"If they don't like barges they should fuck off back to France". 30p Lee Anderson of course, not the BNP. Not the National Front or whatever their current name is. The Chairman of the Conservative Party. Supporters must be so proud. What a statesman. So Churchillian.

Yes please!

Please engage thinking a bit more on the big changes

We need energy security and a way to deal with mass movement of people. Most countries will face this, some have secure borders already others are trying in every way to overturn policies because a GE needs to be won by Labour

It’s not going to look good in a few years

https://www.gov.uk/health-care-worker-visa

Plenty use this option to find work here. One of the reasons why legal migration has increased. Or is that not the case.

There will be more detail on the policy in the manifesto. But a properly functioning asylum system sounds an excellent start to me, it's what we've been lacking for over 13 years.

I heard some of it. I’m sure Labour supporters agree climate change is happening. This won’t do much at all.

It's a pathetic rabble rousing effort by the Conservatives and decent people should not vote for them. Their language is shameful and we're being judged internationally by this lowest common denominator talk.

And if you support this stuff, you are the lowest common denominator too.

It isn’t “perfectly legal.”
you appear to be a proponent of the open borders philosophy. Let them all come, must if them are genuine, where’s the problem. But I do not believe the country as a whole is behind that. So why fever party gets in, you won’t be getting your way.

YC. Ignore points and waffles on about having a comprehensive return policy with EU. Says that Theresa May did have that idea before it was over-ruled. Says that the Dublin Agreement was good...

Yet again, Yvette Cooper 'name drops' the Dublin Agreement. Has she seen the stats?
between 2015 and 2018 ... the UK made 18,953 outgoing requests to transfer people to other Member States [under the Dublin regulation] from which 1,395 people were transferred abroad. This amounts to around 7% of outgoing requests by the UK resulting in a transfer.

in 2022 Germany tried to send back over over 68,000 migrants to other EU countries under rules government by the Dublin accords. The majority of those attempts failed.
https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/46133/germany-unable-to-send-back-most-migrants-under-dublin-rules

Lawyer does her job shock. She's essentially marketing her firm's services including helping overstayers to take steps that are legally available to them to try to regularise their position. It's no different from planning lawyers pointing out that they may be able to help people who've messed up on planning permission before putting up their extension, starting their restaurant or whatever, housing lawyers helping people who've gone into rent or mortgage arrears, and numerous other examples of what a lawyer does day to day.

You are the only person on this entire thread who reads the information freely available about the law on asylum seekers and thinks they are not legal immigrants.

You clearly haven't read any of my posts properly if you believe I'm a a proponent of open borders.

Saying that transit through another country does not necessarily negate the host state’s duty to process the asylum claim (in some circumstances it might) is emphatically not the same thing as saying that an individual has a right to cherry pick where he or she claims asylum. Equally, saying that the CPS may, through application of the public interest test, not proceed with an otherwise sound prosecution emphatically does not mean the individual has entered the country lawfully. It means the opposite of that.
reading is no good if you cannot understand

She's now taken the ad down.

"A Labour source said: 'Irim Ali has been spoken to and acknowledges the language in the video wasn't appropriate and she's taken it down.'"

So what? A bunch of people with preconceived ideas and biases and poor reasoning abilities can’t understand a legal article, even when it states quite clearly in plain English that entrants by dinghy may commit offences. Why should I alter my opinion on that basis? I’m

Well, that's 1395 people set back to the EU is 1395 more than the Tories have manged to send back in the last few years since Brexit.

You also chose to ignore the deterrent effect, how many migrants crossed the channel in dinghies in 2019?

I'm sure you'd agree that any agreement is better than none? and Johnson who i believe you were a strong supporter of, chose not to bother renegotiating a new returns agreement in his Oven Ready deal.... another little detail not worth bothering with......

So how would you stop them landing? or do you also favour open boarders?

Blossomtoes
The Labour leader has said that he believes a woman is an ‘adult female’ as he was quizzed on gender during a recent interview

Also from your link;
It comes after the Labour leader said earlier this year that 99.9% of women “of course haven’t got a penis”.
He added at the time that a “very small number” of people identify as a different gender to the one they were assigned at birth.

So, he was lying then or he is lying now?

Jesus, CCHQ must be getting flustered to have all these gaslighters on here this morning.

Either that or Clavinova has set an exam for her finals class at the University of Whataboutery...

If 7% only are returned under Dublin by Germay and similarly just about none when the Uk was in it that is not the right system. We need to concentrate more efforts in the waters to return boats to France. There is also 1.2m legal immigration a year (about 600k+ net immigration) highest in our history and we are hardly bursting with spare hospital beds (7m on waiting lists) and houses to rent. People in the UK have often emigrated for a better life. My uncle and wife went to Tasmania in about 1970s. My grandfather had 2 brothers who emigrated to Canada (one ending up a US citizen). If we could encourage about 18m to leave - the number we have more than when I was born - that might be a good start. However I know a lot of people would prefer more here . I would rather we had less money and fewer people but that will not be everyone's view and thankfully we live in a country where we are allowed to express views.

Neither.

It just an example of Labour's special Flim-Flam Policy that they bring out from time to time.

Alexandra2001
You also chose to ignore the deterrent effect, how many migrants crossed the channel in dinghies in 2019?

How many migrants crossed the channel in dinghies because of tightened security via other routes and Covid restrictions? How many migrants crossed the channel in dinghies because they were previously using fake EU identity cards?

Migrants have never before used dinghies, despite heightened security at Calais and migrants never crossed via ferries in the numbers they are now.

If you want a deterrent, the threat of being turned to Italy or Greece, is quite a strong one.

Covid? those restrictions long gone.

Now your turn to answer the questions!

Thank you, I am aware of what I have posted previously.

I am also aware that no one has been able to explain why the Prime Minister both wants to stop the boats and increase one a growing reason for migration.

@Remembermynamealways that post about who is screwed really looks desparate- my 83 year old FIL isa typical Tory type voter- comfortably off, lives in a village , voted Brexit. He thinks they are a bunch of fraudulent crooks , feathering their nests and with zero sense of business and economics- he also feels Brexit was a terrible idea, falsely sold and that the country worked far better and was more progressive under Blair and Brown. Your list is bollocks- many of these people are worse off already under this bunch of under performing, crooked twerps. I'm not a radical lefty either but am totally fed up of the large amounts of second generation immigrants calling the tune with regard to whipping up hatred. Then again India is totally a country of haves and have nots and the 'haves' like to keep it that way. What a bunch of CFS they are . You talk about labour being backed by the trans and eco lobbies. I'm not pro the trans obsession either , but I think it's a fad- climate change clearly is an issue. The thing is you don't mention the Russian money that was backing the Tory's plus Chinese money propping businesses up or the hedge funders backing and pushing poor economic choices to make money from it-- post Brexit we now have shit in seas and rivers, and little appetite for large scale investments here- these have far worse ramifications for the country.

They only started recording the number of boat crossings in 2018, any idea why that might be?

Cloudy don't be so rude. I can engage thinking on big changes. Which is why I'm asking peoples opinions on how conflicting policies will work in practice?

You can't say climate change will displace more people and then reverse policies that were addressing this and not expect an increase in displacement as a result?

Unless the plan is to slow the decrease in climate change but yet make asylum seeking harder and unattractive which doesn't sit well with me at all.

And yes we need more energy. Labour has talked a lot about their plans to increase energy - greener energy at that. They've also been honest (yes that's something we don't get much nowadays) that their plans to do this are becoming harder and longer term because of how the Tory's are creating more problems with the economy.

I don't think Labour have a magic wand to solve every issue. I don't think anybody does. I've always been a swing voter as I'm very centric.

But I absolutely want this bunch of untrustworthy lying cunts who are out for themselves only to be gone.