Statement by the Chair of the Conservative Party

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"If they don't like barges they should fuck off back to France". 30p Lee Anderson of course, not the BNP. Not the National Front or whatever their current name is. The Chairman of the Conservative Party. Supporters must be so proud. What a statesman. So Churchillian.

There are far more people who support the statement made, either audibly/visibly or silently, than those who oppose it.

It is the same all over the EU where many migrants are settled in similar but maybe not exactly the same accommodation set up.

I would imagine that if only women and children were accommodated, there would be little or no objection.

I am not making any moral criticism of such people, either those you describe or the others who undoubtedly seek to come here who are not fleeing persecution but who wish to do so for other reasons. That is not the issue. The issue is whether we should be obligated to realise those aspirations.

It's about a barge that is designed to house people only to sleep and eat there, for relatively short periods of time, where they can sleep one to a room, where there are recreation facilities, and where there is a safe fire escape system - and where they are being paid large amounts to put up with those conditions.

By contrast, when used for refugees, it is a barge where it is intended that people will live there most of the time, will have to sleep 2, 3 or 4 to a room, where women will be surrounded by strange men, and which is as unsafe as Grenfell if there is a fire.

Surely, as a country, we can do better than that?

This is not true either. The 1951 convention is not the only relevant law here. Please people try and stop talking shite.

You're very confused. Start by just googling asylum law or something until you have the basics.

The UK signed up to the Refugee Convention 1951, so yes 'we should be obliged'

I tend to agree that people aren’t thinking on what’s coming.

The entire system set up at a different time will be strained.

The majority are economic migrants. The government has completely failed to deal with it and are just trying to avoid dealing with the ever increasing issue. The ‘charities’ and left wing activists are using these migrants to play politics.

The refugee convention does not confer an entitlement to claim asylum in the country that suits you best.

Well if it's fine for the UK to adopt a 'fuck off back to where you came from', it follows that it must also be ok for everyone else too.

So we fuck them off to France, France fucks them off to Italy, Italy fucks them off to Greece, Greece fucks them off to Turkey, and Turkey fucks them off straight back to where they came from originally where the bombs/famines/genocidal theocracies and Caliphates are.

Everything is just grand then 👏

And it certainly gives no rights to people who are not in fact refugees.

Does your husband's experience in one area outweigh the evidence of the Home Office itself that the majority of asylum seekers are genuine?

Now that is an actual fact, whereas your anecdotal second-hand account um, isn't. It is astonishing that that simple and obvious fact continues to be denied by the right with totally manufactured fervour.

And you’re going to foot the bill for every tin pot country are you? In the vain hope they might stay there?!

This is extremely naive POV.

Economic migrants will come anyway! You could pour billions into their failing corrupt countries and still have tens of thousands arriving to cash in on the easy ride that is Britain!

The only thing that will work are strong deterrents and an outcome that is more unpalatable than Marseille or Lyon.

We are walking into a total disaster.

We have to get it together and start working along similar lines to Australia, the US etc. Or you can kiss goodbye to your benefit system, free healthcare and education as all it will become entirely unaffordable. We can’t house everyone in the world that wants ‘a better life’
it’s pure mathematics if nothing else.

'Some of the migrants claimed they had a 'severe fear of water' after traumatic experiences.'

Oh come on now. Being on the Bibby Stockholm which looks like a giant 1960's shopping precinct moored within a few steps of dry land is hardly life on the perilous high seas, now is it?

How stupid do these human rights lawyers think we are? Would these people turn down the presidential suite with personal butler on Roman Abramovich's yacht if it was moored somewhere on the Thames embankment in central London as well?

Can you point to the evidence that people are demanding 5* accommodation? Truly 5 star?
Or is this further hyperbole?

I agree fully with you

I fail to even try to understand some of the posters here.

It reminds me of Brexit debates with family and friends I no longer speak to.

The times we tried to discuss it left e feeling dirty. I was the one that walked away.

It is all so black and white for these people.

Where on earth do you get the assertion from that people think unlimited asylum seekers in small boats is a great policy? You can't be reading the thread if that is the case.

As has been said repeatedly, what would be a great policy would be an efficient asylum processing procedure, something the Tories haven't managed to put in place in over 13 years. Why are so many people taken in by stupid, expensive stunts like this that will do nothing to resolve the issue?

Lee Anderson is the Tory equivalent of Blair’s John Prescott, ie their bit of rough. He says what they’re secretly thinking but they distance themselves by portraying him as a bit of a lad.

Good luck.

Just take a look at the moral superiority dripping from this post. The absolute contempt for anyone with a different view. Then these people wonder why the general public does not want to be lectured by them. Wonder if they realize how detached from reality they are and how they are shouting into the void, just hearing their own voice and feeling smug about it.

You seem a little confused about the laws and the UK governments application of it.
Here is a helpful explainer.

https://levinslaw.co.uk/dinghies-in-the-channel-illegal-entrants-and-immigration-offences/

If it is a bit long, scroll down and read the summary.

They mystery here is why so many people here also don't want her to do it, and instead favour stupid initiatives like the barge and Rwanda which, even if they come to full fruition, will affect a tiny, tiny minority of claims, cost a fortune, and will do nothing to resolve the problem. No-one seems able to answer that

That's entirely about creating an artificial crisis, stoking up ire over it, then 'riding to the rescue' by coming up with some utterly pointless solution to a non-existent problem that placates the frothing mess you've created. The frothers then run out and vote for you because you 'tackled' the non-existent issue that you would them up about.

Yet again, Trumpian divide and conquer in action.

Why are people opposing unsafe accommodation that costs MORE than the hotels all assumed to be "lefties".

I love near an immigration and deportation centre that closed in 2006 and to become a prison. Then didn't become a prison and is reopening in a few months. It'll house 600 men.

But it's safe and built for this purpose and this capacity.

What I have an issue with is the amount of money spent on propaganda campaigns about "stopping the boats" rather than on processing asylum claims, deporting those who aren't genuine and working with France to - you know - actually stop the boats

No we can’t!!
Have you not noticed we are still struggling to house the million or so genuine refugees from Ukraine, Hong Kong and Afghanistan??

We have hundreds of thousands of people in temporary housing already.

The immigration backlog has been caused by our kindness and compassion to support the poor people ravaged from actual wars not the trafficker drug dealer trying his luck!

We need to look after the people that are here and in dire straits with nowhere to live. We have run out of housing stock ages ago in most areas in southern and western England. We can not take anyone else, and certainly not boat loads of relatively wealthy men looking for a better life style/council house whilst they work and rinse the system.

Wake up!!!!