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Statement by the Chair of the Conservative Party

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newnamethanks · 08/08/2023 15:00

"If they don't like barges they should fuck off back to France". 30p Lee Anderson of course, not the BNP. Not the National Front or whatever their current name is. The Chairman of the Conservative Party. Supporters must be so proud. What a statesman. So Churchillian.

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EffortlessDesmond · 08/08/2023 17:50

Most of Europe's next election experiences are likely to see migration issues as central to the debate.

Germany used the Bibby Stockholm to accommodate displaced people too. I haven't seen any suggestions that their emergency services raised safety concerns.

On a more positive note, the men housed on the barge will be able to enjoy the antics of a large pod of dolphins that regularly play in Portland Harbour.

Lifeomars · 08/08/2023 17:51

Treschic7 · 08/08/2023 16:42

Because according to EU law they have to seek asylum in the first country they land in. So you're problem is with the EU.

Hope this helps " The legality of onward movementWhile there are several good reasons why a small but growing proportion of the asylum seekers who reach France might choose to move on to the UK, do they have the right to do so? The British government claims that they do not and argues that asylum seekers have an obligation to submit their application for refugee status in the first safe country that they reach.
But this argument is flawed. The notion of ‘first safe country’ is not to be found in international refugee law, and the 1951 UN Refugee Convention explicitly states that asylum seekers should not be penalized on account of their irregular entry in a country where they intend to submit an application for refugee status.
This principle was reaffirmed by a 1999 UK court case, in which a senior British judge acknowledged that “some element of choice is indeed open to refugees as to where they may properly claim asylum”. It has also been reaffirmed on numerous occasions by UNHCR." It also explains why the likes of Braveman et al are very keen to opt out of international human rights legislation.

Should refugees claim asylum in the first safe country they reach? - Free Movement

Over and over again we hear that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country the reach. There are variations on the theme. Genuine refugees claim asylum in the first safe country. Refugees should or even must claim asylum in the first safe c...

https://freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

PrincessFiorimonde · 08/08/2023 17:53

Treschic7 · 08/08/2023 16:42

Because according to EU law they have to seek asylum in the first country they land in. So you're problem is with the EU.

If this were true, the asylum seekers wouldn't be in France either. Unless they all got to Europe via Monaco or by arriving directly on the French coast, they will have travelled through at least one other EU country before reaching France. So, if 'according to EU law they have to seek asylum in the first country they land in', France would have sent them back to that 'first country' long before they got to Calais.

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 17:54

I think if you are imperilled from a war torn country you would be delighted with a warm bed in a safe country.

I think Anderson has a point, although without the bad language. Many millions agree with him.

The migrants should not be demanding a quality of life not available to thousands of families living in bed sits waiting for homes. These people have moved through many safe countries to be here, this is and has never been about safety.

I sincerely hope Labour win. Then things will get a million times worse, as they have no plan whatsoever and positively encourage even more illegal migration and perhaps then people will finally wake up.

This a HUGE issue imo, and Labour are about to make it thousand times worse. The rest of the world think we are mugs and many of us it appears deserve that accolade.

HannibalHeyes · 08/08/2023 17:55

And another thing that the racists spouting their "we're paying for 5 star hotels for them" (have they ever stayed in a Travelodge?) nonsense are wilfully ignoring, is the fact that this government are paying 1.5 BILLION pounds of our money for this barge for just TWO YEARS of operation. Of course, all that money is going to Tory donors, so that's fine obviously...

Twyford · 08/08/2023 17:57

I think if you are imperilled from a war torn country you would be delighted with a warm bed in a safe country.

You would be delighted with a warm safe bed.

The point is that these are not safe. As our own Fire Brigade has confirmed.

Annasoror · 08/08/2023 17:58

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 17:54

I think if you are imperilled from a war torn country you would be delighted with a warm bed in a safe country.

I think Anderson has a point, although without the bad language. Many millions agree with him.

The migrants should not be demanding a quality of life not available to thousands of families living in bed sits waiting for homes. These people have moved through many safe countries to be here, this is and has never been about safety.

I sincerely hope Labour win. Then things will get a million times worse, as they have no plan whatsoever and positively encourage even more illegal migration and perhaps then people will finally wake up.

This a HUGE issue imo, and Labour are about to make it thousand times worse. The rest of the world think we are mugs and many of us it appears deserve that accolade.

And yet it is the Conservatives who consistently refuse France's offer to allow them to process claims in France, which would obviate the need for small boats and stop them stoking these culture wars. God almighty.

CloudyMcCloud · 08/08/2023 18:00

Viviennemary · 08/08/2023 17:38

I don't get why makeshift tents are acceptable in France but we are expected to provide hotel accommodation.

Are tents the only option? Not sure if they do any accommodation

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:00

Nevermay · 08/08/2023 17:05

Do you have children? If their school is fully staffed, it will likely be because they have refugees on the pay roll.

Not that the use they will be to us is the only value a human being has, but some people act like it is, so it can be helpful to point out the benefits the them personally

Where I am, the reality is that schools aren't full and schools are seriously worried about how that is affecting their finances. They would be delighted to take in more refugees.

87SPD · 08/08/2023 18:01

Wow! Just read through this whole thread and it is so indicative of the state of the country right now.

How anyone with actual brain cells and clarity of thought can agree with this complete joke of an MP is beyond me. By agreeing you are being coerced deeper into the Tory culture net making you act on fear and ignorance rather than focus on the true failings of this corrupt, despicable government!

If the behaviour of 30p Lee goes unpunished then the culture war they are willing to degrade themselves in is going to be even worse than I imagined!

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The person who hasn’t understood is you. The article makes it clear that people crossing in dinghies are potentially committing offences under domestic law.

RadishAndTwiglet · 08/08/2023 18:02

While I wouldn't have used his language, I don't disagree with the sentiment and I can't imagine the majority of people do. Why do these single, fit, healthy young men, often from countries where there is no actual war, or anything to flee beyond poverty and a lack of opportunity, think they can pick and choose where they will stay at the taxpayer's expense for months, while they are processed?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the barge accommodation whatsoever. It's safe, it's clean, there will be hot showers, they'll get three meals a day. It may not be the food they'd always choose but how could it be, with so many different nationalities and tastes to cater for? It's free and it's guaranteed. They won't starve, they won't freeze to death, if they need medical treatment they will get it. They won't be beaten or tortured. They won't be locked up. There are leisure facilities and they are not held at sea, they can come onshore as they like. What's the fuck is the actual problem?

The people who have refused to go aboard have no doubt been emboldened and egged on by activists trying their best to bring down the government down, telling them to stand their ground and that they are 'entitled' to somewhere better. Who does that actually benefit, in the end? Certainly it seems some of these men are not happy with the quality of the hotels they've been put in either, yet they look no worse than the average purpose built student accommodation, which costs students (or rather their parents) thousands per year to rent.

You'd think after a few weeks or months of a treacherous journey on foot or bribing their way into the backs of vans, followed by a period of time dossing under a tarpaulin in seedy, unsafe and hostile Calais, followed by a perilous small boat crossing where they almost always send out a distress call as soon as they are safely into UK waters, so as to be taxied in by the RNLI or border force, that a clean bed, free hot meals and free lawyers working on their behalf would be sufficient to cheer them up a bit. But no. It's not good enough. Meanwhile we have a serious ticking time bomb of a housing crisis in this country, with millions already 'vulnerably housed' and no end in sight.

We needed a safe, affordable, practical, long term solution and this is it. It's not Rwanda, which you'd think would make some people relieved and satisfied. But are they relieved or satisfied? Are they fuck.

I think the people whose mission it is to sabotage every solution or suggestion that's put forward to what is a complex problem on a massive scale, need to examine what their real motives are. I think you don't actually give a shit about the people themselves, or about the long term ramifications of how many migrants continue to arrive with nowhere to go. You are just obsessed with making life as difficult as possible for this government, at any cost. To prove what, I am not entirely sure.

CheshireCat1 · 08/08/2023 18:02

They don’t want to talk about the cost of living crisis and the economy so they’ve threw this in the mix, they’re experts at throwing dead cats on the table.

Neyon · 08/08/2023 18:02

Remembermynamealways · 08/08/2023 17:54

I think if you are imperilled from a war torn country you would be delighted with a warm bed in a safe country.

I think Anderson has a point, although without the bad language. Many millions agree with him.

The migrants should not be demanding a quality of life not available to thousands of families living in bed sits waiting for homes. These people have moved through many safe countries to be here, this is and has never been about safety.

I sincerely hope Labour win. Then things will get a million times worse, as they have no plan whatsoever and positively encourage even more illegal migration and perhaps then people will finally wake up.

This a HUGE issue imo, and Labour are about to make it thousand times worse. The rest of the world think we are mugs and many of us it appears deserve that accolade.

I find myself not even bothered to go through all the misinformation in the first paragraphs. I will if required, but... Jeez.

I hate to break it to you, but it's not the side you think that's looked badly on by a lot of other countries. I don't think anyone else I kniw from mainland Europe was anything but horrified or amused by the absolute balls-up of Brexit and the consequent blaming of the EU for the migrant situation.

Just another point - they are also humans. They're not just boats or looking for a nice holiday.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 08/08/2023 18:02

I live near a large hotel where mostly it seems Iranian asylum seekers (economic migrants?) live. You see them out and about and I think I’ve also seen families too. To be fair to them they seem to behave normally and not anti socially but then if they’re Muslim they’re not supposed to drink alcohol so pubs are out of bound. My neighbour who’s elderly and a charity worker says that most of them are professionals and one was very sick with cancer whilst he was here. I feel sorry for them but I do wonder how many asylum claims will be processed and how many will not be.

I think most people would be worried if they were in hotels and then misbehaved so were banned from local shops/pubs.

A friend of mine from Calais lives and works in London and her DM tells her not to go near the camps when she goes home. I was in a shop last week speaking to a Breton woman and mentioned my friend and she immediately said It was dangerous and awful in Calais.

RattleRattle · 08/08/2023 18:03

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Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:04

AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 17:06

Because it’s a safe country, which has the same obligations as the uk under the relevant international laws (glad to see the previous excitable assertions that France is a hotbed of rape and torture do not seem to have been pursued)

You're referring to a post of mine, which didn't refer to people who want to send refugees back to where they came from, i.e. their countries of origin. But don't let the facts get in the way.

Why should we be exempt from taking refugees just because we are an island country? We have a very long, proud tradition of supporting refugees, it's really sad that people are no longer interested in British values like that.

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AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 18:05

anniegun · 08/08/2023 17:34

Anderson is the driving intellect behind the current Tory party. Most are just filling their bank accounts before they get booted out (Dorries, Rees-Mog, Hancock)

Strangely, none of the people you mention are in government any longer.

itsgettingweird · 08/08/2023 18:06

LlynTegid · 08/08/2023 17:19

There are 50,000 people seeking asylum in hotels. The barge could only host 1% of them. Rwanda I understand has a limit too, if anyone ever goes there.

Chequers and the grounds could host more people. Speeding up claims by under a month would probably have the same impact.

Rwanda has a limit of 200.

It it's a reciprocal agreement so we don't actually lessen the numbers on our shores.

I don't understand why it isn't cheaper than £140m to process those claims for those 200 ourselves rather than swapping them with people we are giving visas too?

AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 18:07

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:04

You're referring to a post of mine, which didn't refer to people who want to send refugees back to where they came from, i.e. their countries of origin. But don't let the facts get in the way.

Why should we be exempt from taking refugees just because we are an island country? We have a very long, proud tradition of supporting refugees, it's really sad that people are no longer interested in British values like that.

I haven’t said we should be exempt from taking refugees, so save your pious eye wash. The comment being complained of relates to people coming here from France. Therefore the emotive wailing about about rape and torture was irrelevant.

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:07

AgathaSpencerGregson · 08/08/2023 17:06

In France???
im here now. France is not at war.

Around 70% of asylum claims are accepted as genuine, i.e. the Home Office accepts that the people concerned are indeed fleeing things like torture and war. Fortunately they're not dim enough to try such disingenuous arguments as this.

CloudyMcCloud · 08/08/2023 18:08

CheshireCat1 · 08/08/2023 18:02

They don’t want to talk about the cost of living crisis and the economy so they’ve threw this in the mix, they’re experts at throwing dead cats on the table.

I don’t think it’s a dead cat anywhere with the same problem tbh, which is the case for many countries. It’s only going in one direction due to increased crossings, the Med is the same. Crossings are going up and will keep going up.

Politicians are going to get more demands on it

Twyford · 08/08/2023 18:09

SheRaaaaa · 08/08/2023 17:10

If they aren't France's problem, why are they ours?

Because they are entitled to come here by law?

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