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To assume this about people who hit their kids...

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NotDisciplineJustAbuse · 07/08/2023 20:31

That they're probably not above hitting their wife/husband/partner etc or indeed their pets.

I don't buy into the 'discipline' crap as there are just far better ways of dealing with things. I'm sure smacking my husband every time he forgets to replace the loo roll could work but I was thankfully raised to use my big girl words and not rely on violence which will inevitably breed more violence.

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MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 10:30

Whatajokr · 08/08/2023 10:25

That's a really interesting quote to read.

UK schools are currently in a mental health crisis. From Reception, there are children having mental health and anxiety issues. Massive growth in the last 10 years. CAMHS are overwhelmed. EMHPs are being deployed in schools as quickly as they are trained to try to deal with the tip of the iceberg.

These are children who are less likely to have been smacked, as it's become less culturally acceptable in their lifetime.

Don't be too quick to assume the issues around your mental health are because you were smacked as a child. There's a whole raft of children in school today who weren't smacked, but have significant mental health issues before they even start secondary school.

There are many causes of depression and anxiety but this fact should not detract from the fact that being hit as a child is a well known causal factor.

LT2 · 08/08/2023 10:37

I was smacked as a child and sadly I know my childhood dogs were sometimes too. But, no, of course I can't say 100% but I'm pretty confident that the other parent was never ever hit. I feel absolutely confident that I would know if they ever were.

LT2 · 08/08/2023 10:41

Alwaysatfault · 07/08/2023 20:44

Maybe it's because they were hit themselves as a child & they don't know any different?

I don't disagree with this but also, I was smacked (rarely, but I was) and it's not something I ever want to do with my own son. So it's not really an excuse.

Wenfy · 08/08/2023 11:04

Giraffeinaplane · 08/08/2023 07:42

@Wenfy I completely disagree, my child has never been hit and it wouldn't cross his mind to lash out at anyone. Anecdotally, the kids I have seen who are most violent either have been hit themselves, or have older siblings who are violent in front of them, or to them.

Nope. Kids who get shouted at instead of hit are more likely to show aggressive behaviour to other kids. The shouting doesn’t even have to be particularly abusive - a raised voice is enough.

https://www.todaysparent.com/family/discipline/yelling-at-kids/

Is yelling at kids as bad as spanking? - Today's Parent - Today's Parent

Research claiming yelling at kids is as harmful as hitting or spanking has many parents worried. Learn about the long-term effects for your family.

https://www.todaysparent.com/family/discipline/yelling-at-kids/

Wenfy · 08/08/2023 11:06

MillicentBystandr · 08/08/2023 10:30

There are many causes of depression and anxiety but this fact should not detract from the fact that being hit as a child is a well known causal factor.

So is being shouted at as a child (whether you deserved it or not). So are time outs. So is having more than one child.

Whingebob · 08/08/2023 11:08

Shouting should NOT be a go-to form of discipline and definitely is abusive territory if it's regular or aggressive

But this idea that everything you do messes up your child is fucking tiring

Whatajokr · 08/08/2023 11:33

But this idea that everything you do messes up your child is fucking tiring

@Whingebob

Yes yes yes yes yes

So many aspects of modern parenting, aka gentle parenting, positive parenting etc etc all have their faults, which are going to come out in the next 10 years. Their faults are easy enough to see for anyone who cares to look. But it's much easier to say your old way is wrong and my modern acceptable way is right.

There is no right way to raise a child. Those of us who've worked with 100s of parents over 30+ years know that. The majority of parents try their hardest to do the best job they can raising their children. All adults turn out a little screwed up in some way or other if you dig deep enough. Whether you want to place that at your parents choice of discipline method is up to you.

AllOfThemWitches · 08/08/2023 11:34

ChiPawPrint · 08/08/2023 09:40

This part stood out to me:

"Preschool and school age children and even adults (who have been) spanked are more likely to develop anxiety and depression disorders or have more difficulties engaging positively in schools..."

That describes me to a tea 😞

That's surely not just down to the hitting though. If your parents hit you, they probably got it wrong in other ways too, the result being a somewhat troubled adult

RattleRattle · 08/08/2023 11:37

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Whingebob · 08/08/2023 11:54

Whatajokr · 08/08/2023 11:33

But this idea that everything you do messes up your child is fucking tiring

@Whingebob

Yes yes yes yes yes

So many aspects of modern parenting, aka gentle parenting, positive parenting etc etc all have their faults, which are going to come out in the next 10 years. Their faults are easy enough to see for anyone who cares to look. But it's much easier to say your old way is wrong and my modern acceptable way is right.

There is no right way to raise a child. Those of us who've worked with 100s of parents over 30+ years know that. The majority of parents try their hardest to do the best job they can raising their children. All adults turn out a little screwed up in some way or other if you dig deep enough. Whether you want to place that at your parents choice of discipline method is up to you.

And the thing is, even professionals who work with children will tell you this. Nobody is perfect all the time

Whingebob · 08/08/2023 11:55

Well you are a professional, but you know what I mean!

Dotjones · 08/08/2023 11:58

YABU to assume people who hit their kids are automatically wife beaters or the sort who abuse animals. All domestic abusers and animal abusers will also abuse their kids, but the reverse isn't true - plenty of people who hit their kids for discipline wouldn't dream of assaulting their partner or dog. For a start that would be illegal, and anyway they don't have the same authority over them that they do over their kids.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 08/08/2023 12:20

I was smacked as a kid by my mum a few times across the thighs. In hindsight I can see it was in anger (I broke something, or did something I'd been told not to do), not in fear (I'd run into a road or put hand near a stove). My dad didn't hit but he did threaten to with a special weapon he claimed was hidden where only he knew where it was. He had a sadistic pleasure in saying it (his own dad had behaved similarly). He also used to scream blue murder at us a fair amount.

My parents never hit each other but they emotionally abuse and enable one another's alcoholism and generational trauma.

It may have all been accepted in the 80s and 90s but I look back at my childhood and all I see is frightened kids with no self-esteem. My sister has been in relationships with abusive men whereas I don't trust people so have been single all my life.

I believe that hitting a kid is abuse but not necessarily every parent who did it in the 80s and 90s was abusive period. It does take more, I think.

BertieBotts · 08/08/2023 12:33

To the scenario of one kid smacks the other (on the bum) and what does the (smacking) parent do -

I don't smack and obviously can't speak for everyone that does. But I get the impression that most people who do aren't using it for every little tiny everyday interaction, it's a "big guns" threat that they keep for persistent issues when necessary.

Or possibly like someone else said they don't use it consistently but it happens when they are at the end of their tether.

My next door neighbours used to smack their kids (though to be fair I never heard them actually do it) but I only ever really heard them threaten it, very occasionally, when the kids would not go to sleep at night - I was around a lot in the day and never heard them use it/the threat of it any other time. Generally the dad would shout the threat up the stairs and then one boy would defend the other and they would both go quiet - this was quick and consistent enough that I assume he must have followed through on the threat at least once. But I never heard it happen.

Not quite the same, but sometimes we talk to the DC in a stern/directive voice like "I told you to get changed, so get changed NOW" - not my preferred method honestly, but doesn't seem like a particularly unusual or controversial thing for a parent to do/say. And sometimes DC then use that same voice and directiveness back, like "Mummy!! I want you to play lego with me so you have to do that NOW!" and it sounds awful!! Every time it happens I'm torn three ways between: Stop being cheeky, children don't speak to adults like that / That's a horrible way to speak, nobody should speak to anyone like that / well duh, he's learned that's the proper way to get someone to comply with a request, we really need to lean more on other methods.

If he uses it at his brother then we generally say something like "You don't need to tell DS3, mummy/daddy will tell DS3, just concentrate on <whatever he's meant to be doing> thank you."

RattleRattle · 08/08/2023 12:34

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BertieBotts · 08/08/2023 12:38

Christ 'experts' niw tell us that time out on a naughty step is traumatising.

What experts say this? I don't believe it. I know that people have (reasonable, IMO) arguments against using a naughty step, but I don't know of anybody claiming it is traumatising.

Why bring out the straw man arguments?

Theoriginalmrscillianmurphy · 08/08/2023 13:11

Don't be silly

Cowlover89 · 08/08/2023 13:46

Gothambutnotahamster · 07/08/2023 23:36

Me too. Plus my parents never ever hit each other. We only got smacked when we were really badly behaved. It was never in their temper / bad mood but entirely related to our behaviour.

My parents never hit each other either. Same tbh.

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