"Summer isn't summering" anyone get irritated by the stupid way people speak these days?

[ohbloodyhellll]

I don't know what it is but I follow quite a lot of Instagram bloggers /vloggers and have noticed this lately
"Summer isn't summering"
"July isn't julying"
Honestly it's driving me mad
Is it just me who's noticed this stupidity?

Variety in language is wonderful. Language is a creative thing that every human can play with, from our earliest years. The fun or useful new ideas (or those used by influential groups) then spread widely.

A word doesn't just mean its meaning. Choice of words can convey membership of a social group, seriousness or playfulness, respect or mockery, etc etc.

As for grammar Nazis, all dialects have grammar, "correct" grammar is just the particular grammar on how wealthy southerners spoke a couple of generations back. Why freeze English in time at that particular moment and social group?

I agree @Nuca . I like S&B, but the stuff above (also 'heavy of thigh', et al) is so twee it makes me cringe myself almost inside out.

See also making singulars of plurals, like 'a trouser' or 'a red lip'. Pretentious, moi?

Funny I've been thinking this myself recently. Surely people don't speak like this in real life?

Some things grate and some I like. I irrationally can’t stand “You do you” and “It is what it is”. Love Platty Joobs and Cozzie Livs though. I would like Dadio and Pragger Wagger to be revived please.

I just don't listen to it anymore never heard so much winjing and moaning!
Winjing is a good one

Meh. At least miserable old gits have a point of view.

I can't imagine anything more utterly boring than studying for a law degree!! You might find running a home and having a child at 21/22 boring (and incidentally I didn't do that myself) but it was quite common. One of my friends was doing it just after her 18th birthday.

The poster is quite right, it's pathetic to see young adults acting like children - and maybe the fact that they don't want anything to do with "adulting" has more to do with why they can't afford to buy a house than anything previous generations have done. You know, the generations who left school early and got jobs to earn a living.

What, the entire generation did that? Was university not invented until 1997?

A noun becoming a verb is way older than google!
Do you say "I'm going to vacuum clean the carpet"?! Most people would say "I'm going to hoover".

Language evolves and also has fashions. In an Agatha Christie book from 1929, one character uses the trendy word of the day- penetrating- constantly and inappropriately throughout. "Darling, it's just too penetrating"! AC makes a point of what she's doing.

OP, just don't follow them.

Simples!

Meh. At least miserable old gits have a point of view.

Not sure one has anything to do with the other but ok

Totally agree!

I’m like @AllProperTeaIsTheft and @ManchesterGirl2 , I honestly don’t see any harm in it.

Linguistics and Phonetics made up 20% of my MML degree, and I have always enjoyed playing with language. It’s human nature from the very youngest years - cf « motherese » which describes the sing-song tones and linguistic playfulness used by mums speaking their babies.

What kind of killjoy would object to a mother saying « oh look at that cute cute doggy » to their baby? The same kind, maybe, that cringes at harmless phrases from adults such as « large of nork » and uses it to brand others as stupid.

These are mumsnetisms surely? I've seen them on here for 10 years now but never heard them in the wild. I love how even each social media site has its own vocabulary and linguistic code - it helps us spot our tribe and know we're in the right place even if we wouldn't necessarily use this language elsewhere. I know if I heard someone say "norks", they'd be a mumsnetter.

Another linguist here checking in - I dislike the terms "platty jubes" but am always in awe of incredibly responsive language is. "Cozzie livs" jars because (IMO) it's expressing something shit playfully and with a misplaced jolly "platty jubes" vibe.

Is "yoof speak" any worse than talking in acronyms as we do on this site?

While I don't object to "yoof speak", the MN acronyms are there so as to allow posters to get to the point without having to type out whole words. They don't have the same function.

😂 excellent

"You always were a cunning linguist, James." - Moneypenny from Tomorrow Never Dies

Yes this annoys me far more than made up words.

Another is mixing up 'lend' and 'borrow' as in "can I lend a fiver off you till Friday?"

My kids use boombastic side eye. I had never heard of it.
I remember a few years ago my teenager commenting on someone's shoes and called them 'fresh crepes' .
I love language evolving. Its fun!

I do get tired of the constant criticism of the younger generation, there are plenty of people of all ages who act irresponsibly and many more who did similar at a younger age.

It is standard practice to berate the younger generation (my dad moaning about the 'layabouts' on Top of The Pops in the '70s).

The following is from Socrates:

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

I just had to look up Nork & found it's an area of Reigate 🤷‍♀️

"You always were a cunning linguist, James." - Moneypenny from Tomorrow Never Dies

Genuine lol. Thankyou very much for this. I am in truth counting down the months to pensioning so am super grateful for the word, and for the laugh the word gave me. It’s now part of my vocabulary.

I don't know why people are calling this thread ageist... I see plenty people my age, (40's) using these kind of words. Teenagers are always going to have their own terminology but when I hear older people try to adopt it often makes me cringe.

I also don't see how use of current slang makes someone more creative? Can anybody who made that point explain? Is it not just people following current trends?

For example, I remember being a 90's teenager and saying things like "as if!" and "that sounds good... not!" and "awesome!" to my parents' bemusement but I don't think it made me more creative... it just made me a teenager who talked to and consumed the same media as other teenagers.

That makes you sound creative... not! Sorry, I couldn't resist 😄