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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

A poll for my husband....

472 replies

Sellingbedtime · 04/08/2023 23:00

So we received an invite to a wedding in Bali months ago. I decided probably not a practical decision to go as we have 2 small children 3yo DD and ds who is 11months. Children were not invited to wedding and I wasn't prepared to ask family to look after them. Anyway fast forward to now. Said wedding is fast approaching and DH is very much packing his bag and readying his passport with every intention of going.... Without us.
I've expressed my thoughts regarding it to him. I feel it's just very selfish. To assume it's ok for him to saunter off whilst I stay here in the trenches dealing with the mayhem of a toddler and baby (as well as going to work etc etc). It actually baffles me he thinks it's ok to go. So AIBU??

Happy to hear all response as i feel perhaps I'm missing something and other people husband's/partners/father's of their children frequently make easy breezy trips to the other side of the planet like it's popping to bloody Yarmouth!

OP posts:
Zone2NorthLondon · 05/08/2023 17:59

Mumof2teens79 · 05/08/2023 17:10

Whoah this thread took a nose dive!
Stepford wives?? Ffs. Far from it.

In my experience more mums are likely to go away on a break with their friends. Most people I know do it at least once a year, whether it's a wedding, hen do, regular mums trip or a hockey tour.
My OH has been on rugby tours and even skiing trips with work.
I once had to go away for two weeks for training with work. We have both also turned things down because it wasn't convenient.

The point is we discuss it and agree,
One of us doesn't unilaterally decide no and it's never a surprise that the other is going away.

Agree. Adults discuss, collaborate & plan absences & trips. No one unilaterally gets to impose
We need to plan and coordinate our work schedule to accommodate working away and long hours to include out of hours. It’s not a problem
There is no complaining about taking care of your own children (it’s not work,it’s not a chore,it’s what parents do)

Mothership4two · 05/08/2023 20:38

Anyway the phrase 'cool wives' is just another way to silence a woman's opinions by ridiculing or invalidating them.

Basically MN code for I disagree with you

Zone2NorthLondon · 05/08/2023 20:51

There are certain tropes to minimise and discredit women eg cool wife, Karen
They are pejorative and used as a shorthand term to belittle women
Any liberal views are dismissed as being a cool wife
Being a certain age woman = illiberal intemperate Karen

Mothership4two · 05/08/2023 20:55

Parky04 · 05/08/2023 09:15

You're too cool!

Not really. Just a different perspective to you

lljkk · 05/08/2023 20:57

HIDING for sexist obsession

WannaBeRecluse · 05/08/2023 23:28

Comedycook · 05/08/2023 11:40

Yes it's perfectly fine to prioritise your kids when they're babies. I mean how far would you take it? Would it be ok if their baby was two weeks old?

My husband went away for work for a week when I had a 20 month old and two week old. He kept the trip as short as possible. Somehow you manage. My mother popped in a few times. Now that I'm older though, I really don't think it's acceptable that a workplace require this of someone with such a young baby. Maybe at three months old.

UsingChangeofName · 06/08/2023 00:27

So @Sellingbedtime
You have titled this 'a poll for my husband'.
I know you didn't enable voting, but have you shown him all the replies ?
Or was the plan only to do that if people agreed with you?

Wsmi · 06/08/2023 00:34

UsingChangeofName · 05/08/2023 00:12

Unfortunately op, all the "cool wives" are out tonight!

I never understand when this phrase is trotted out what posters are trying to suggest.

If you think it is "cool" to work together as a couple to try to make things work out when either of you particularly want to do something, then yes, I'll take that. Although many of us think it is pretty normal for spouses to try to help each other get the most out of life.

Cool wives is a phrase used by those who display bunny boiler traits.

Wsmi · 06/08/2023 00:37

Comedycook · 05/08/2023 14:55

There's a time and a place for buggering off on holiday half way round the world by yourself... When you have a baby, toddler and working wife, that's not the time.

A bit too invested in this thread? Perhaps step back a bit.

fullbloom87 · 06/08/2023 00:57

@Wsmi

A 'cool wife' is the type of women who is so deluded throughout her marriage, she finds out everything he did during the divorce and kicks herself.

fullbloom87 · 06/08/2023 01:04

Comedycook · 05/08/2023 15:15

It's basically illustrative of how women are totally screwed over. Working and looking after kids whilst their husbands get to live like single men. Yay feminism

Agree with you. Life is so much harder for women then it was 40 years ago back when it was normal for women to take care of their own babies.
I have sympathy for mums who do it, but also anger towards men who allow it and often expect it of their wives, and as a result men these days have it so much easier. And they wonder why their wives go 'crazy'
And then they leave them with the kids and get new women and often new families.
If only they'd taken care of the one they had to begin with.

Mothership4two · 06/08/2023 01:06

Blimey, he is just going away for 5 days for a friend's wedding

Mothership4two · 06/08/2023 01:09

Zone2NorthLondon · 05/08/2023 20:51

There are certain tropes to minimise and discredit women eg cool wife, Karen
They are pejorative and used as a shorthand term to belittle women
Any liberal views are dismissed as being a cool wife
Being a certain age woman = illiberal intemperate Karen

And now they are deluded apparently

fullbloom87 · 06/08/2023 01:10

soberfabulous · 05/08/2023 09:45

My husband is about to go on his third solo vacay of the year!

Once or twice is fine but three is taking the piss IMO 🤪

My stance is: as long as he can afford it and it doesn't hamper our ability to travel as a family then that's fine. Also the types of separate vacays he goes on don't appeal to me (he motorbikes around dangerous far flung places with his BF)

I usually have one solo trip a year.

I actually enjoy it when he's away: peace and quiet and a simple routine. My DD is 9 and he's done this since she was tiny.

Yeah your husband is taking the piss. Doesn't leave him with much annual leave for family time.

caringcarer · 06/08/2023 01:10

If his friend travelled a long way to come to.your wedding Id not have a problem with him reciprocating and going to see his friend married. It's less than a week and you said your Mum will help you out.

Zone2NorthLondon · 06/08/2023 01:26

Oh you’re that woman with no authority or legitimacy you opine on normal

Life is so much harder for women then it was 40 years ago back when it was normal for women to take care of their own babies

Quite frankly, I don’t need or Want the external judgement of someone else regard what was normal 40year ago? That’s my mum era and she worked FT, diffference was an informal network of family,mates or the telly minded us kids. 40 year ago Normal for working class women was to work, they didn’t have time for affectation or guilt

my priority is my family,me,the kids. I do not have not had any notion of abnormality of guilt or notion of external normal, that’s all someone else projection,and judgement .

my mum raised me to work hard , career and family

I use FT child care 07.30:to 1800 5 day a week, and it works for us as a family

ASimpleLampoon · 06/08/2023 01:36

Sellingbedtime · 04/08/2023 23:16

So for context it's an old school friend of my husband who is getting married. He will be gone for 5 nights. I know a part of DH feels he should go as this friend, who lives abroad, made the effort and travelled back for our wedding. Which I sort of understand but circumstances were different as no one had children to consider then.
I'm thinking the "don't get mad, get even" approach might just be best. Let him have his holiday then make sure I book time away...

I'd be ok with this, but only IF I got to have my 5 day break afterwards. Wish him a good trip gracefully and start planning your break.

thaegumathteth · 06/08/2023 02:21

I'd be alright with this tbh - he can (presumably) afford it and you've got help from your mum. It's his friend and I think I'd expect dh to go tbh.

fullbloom87 · 06/08/2023 02:53

Zone2NorthLondon · 06/08/2023 01:26

Oh you’re that woman with no authority or legitimacy you opine on normal

Life is so much harder for women then it was 40 years ago back when it was normal for women to take care of their own babies

Quite frankly, I don’t need or Want the external judgement of someone else regard what was normal 40year ago? That’s my mum era and she worked FT, diffference was an informal network of family,mates or the telly minded us kids. 40 year ago Normal for working class women was to work, they didn’t have time for affectation or guilt

my priority is my family,me,the kids. I do not have not had any notion of abnormality of guilt or notion of external normal, that’s all someone else projection,and judgement .

my mum raised me to work hard , career and family

I use FT child care 07.30:to 1800 5 day a week, and it works for us as a family

Well that's great that it works for you to have your little ones in childcare 7:30-6pm everyday.
I was a nursery manager for 5 years so I've personally been witness to many young children and what they go through with that level of their lives being in a care setting .
So it's not something i ever wanted for my children.
I chose to stay home until they got 15 hours free at 3 year old. That's what worked for us and I chose a job that was term time only until they were in secondary school.

Whilst some women worked full time 40 years ago it was also pretty common for mums to stay home until their children could talk. It was also pretty normal to expect a husband to provide for the family if mum didn't work.
At least back then most married women and children had a choice and that choice was accepted unlike today,

WellPlaced · 06/08/2023 03:28

I think he should go

Mothership4two · 06/08/2023 05:01

Personally do not want to go back 40 years, things were less equal for many then and women had less choice not more

CurlewKate · 06/08/2023 05:36

This is the original definition of "cool girl". It's a male construct, and I don't think something that, after a little thought, any of us would want to be. It's from the book/movie Gone by Gillian Flynn."Men always say that as the defining compliment, don’t they? She’s a cool girl. Being the Cool Girl means I am a hot, brilliant, funny woman who adores football, poker, dirty jokes, and burping, who plays video games, drinks cheap beer, loves threesomes and anal sex, and jams hot dogs and hamburgers into her mouth like she’s hosting the world’s biggest culinary gang bang while somehow maintaining a size 2, because Cool Girls are above all hot. Hot and understanding. Cool Girls never get angry; they only smile in a chagrined, loving manner and let their men do whatever they want. Go ahead, shit on me, I don’t mind, I’m the Cool Girl.

Men actually think this girl exists. Maybe they’re fooled because so many women are willing to pretend to be this girl. For a long time Cool Girl offended me. I used to see men – friends, coworkers, strangers – giddy over these awful pretender women, and I’d want to sit these men down and calmly say: You are not dating a woman, you are dating a woman who has watched too many movies written by socially awkward men who’d like to believe that this kind of woman exists and might kiss them. I’d want to grab the poor guy by his lapels or messenger bag and say: The bitch doesn’t really love chili dogs that much – no one loves chili dogs that much! And the Cool Girls are even more pathetic: They’re not even pretending to be the woman they want to be, they’re pretending to be the woman a man wants them to be. Oh, and if you’re not a Cool Girl, I beg you not to believe that your man doesn’t want the Cool Girl. It may be a slightly different version – maybe he’s a vegetarian, so Cool Girl loves seitan and is great with dogs; or maybe he’s a hipster artist, so Cool Girl is a tattooed, bespectacled nerd who loves comics. There are variations to the window dressing, but believe me, he wants Cool Girl, who is basically the girl who likes every fucking thing he likes and doesn’t ever complain. (How do you know you’re not Cool Girl? Because he says things like: “I like strong women.” If he says that to you, he will at some point fuck someone else. Because “I like strong women” is code for “I hate strong women.”

Honeychickpea · 06/08/2023 06:15

fullbloom87 · 06/08/2023 02:53

Well that's great that it works for you to have your little ones in childcare 7:30-6pm everyday.
I was a nursery manager for 5 years so I've personally been witness to many young children and what they go through with that level of their lives being in a care setting .
So it's not something i ever wanted for my children.
I chose to stay home until they got 15 hours free at 3 year old. That's what worked for us and I chose a job that was term time only until they were in secondary school.

Whilst some women worked full time 40 years ago it was also pretty common for mums to stay home until their children could talk. It was also pretty normal to expect a husband to provide for the family if mum didn't work.
At least back then most married women and children had a choice and that choice was accepted unlike today,

Did most married men have a choice or were they just walking wallets once the ring was on the finger?

Caprisunny · 06/08/2023 06:39

fullbloom87 · 06/08/2023 02:53

Well that's great that it works for you to have your little ones in childcare 7:30-6pm everyday.
I was a nursery manager for 5 years so I've personally been witness to many young children and what they go through with that level of their lives being in a care setting .
So it's not something i ever wanted for my children.
I chose to stay home until they got 15 hours free at 3 year old. That's what worked for us and I chose a job that was term time only until they were in secondary school.

Whilst some women worked full time 40 years ago it was also pretty common for mums to stay home until their children could talk. It was also pretty normal to expect a husband to provide for the family if mum didn't work.
At least back then most married women and children had a choice and that choice was accepted unlike today,

What is it about exactly 40 years ago, that you hold as the ideal?

My mum did stay at home and then work part time. I am 40.

However, her mother always did some sort of work, even when the kids were young. She was a cleaner, my grandad (her husband) was in the navy so often nor at home. His mother also worked and managed to buy her own pub when my grandad was young. he didn’t know his dad.

On my dads side my Nana and great grandma worked. It’s a myth that women didn’t work while their kids were young. It’s a relatively new thing, especially for working class people.

I am a child of this golden age you claim existed for women. And yet many of my peers still have issues relating to childhood, difficult relationships with their parents, mental health issues and so on.

My mum bitterly regretted not having a career. But accepted how it was. She thought it was great I have a career and a great relationship with my kids. She truly believed it was one of the other. Which is odd because she came from a line of women that had both. But it appears she was under the impression that staying home was a status issue that (because dad had a well paid job) she should do. She didn’t feel she did have a choice.

But good parenting and good relationships doesn’t all hinge on how many hours the mother works. Plenty of sahp or parents who work Pt are crappy parents, plenty of working mums are crappy parents. That’s because they are crappy parents. Not their work hours. There are many more great parents of all set ups.

It appears you just like a set up where women can choose not to work, because the men are obliged to support it. And that’s the issue. It’s not good for men or women to be obliged into one family set up.

Outside of MN I have never seen or heard a sahp or part time working parent judged for doing so. Women have more choice now. Not less. That choice often is related to family finances AND the other person having input on the decision. Which it should. Especially if the other person is going to be financially responsible for the family.

It’s really odd to want to go back to a time where women had less choice, less rights in the work place (even before kids) less ability to get mortgage themselves and so on. Just because there’s one tiny part of it, that you see through rose coloured lenses. And a part of it that you managed to achieve anyway. Even living in these, supposed, awful times.

Blossomtoes · 06/08/2023 08:46

At least back then most married women and children had a choice and that choice was accepted unlike today,

We didn’t have any choice. There was no childcare and we had to stay at home. It was miserable and frustrating being expected to just turn off your brain because you’d had a baby and your greatest intellectual challenge was singing The Wheels on the Bus.

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