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Biological truth should be taught to children?

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Tryingmuchharder · 04/08/2023 20:19

AIBU for thinking that biological truth should be taught to children rather than trans ideology.... men can give birth, people can change sex, etc etc.

A teacher was suspended and appealed and recently his appealed was overturned. He was sacked for 'misgendering' a girl by calling her a girl rather than a boy. He taught biological fact and not ideology so was sacked.

Surely biological facts should be taught to our children? AIBU

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Tryingmuchharder · 09/08/2023 23:35

Araminta1003 · 07/08/2023 12:31

“I’m pretty liberal generally but this gender stuff gets stuck in my craw as I do think it’s pretty much fuelled by social media/contagion.”

There is a lot of non binary at my DD’s grammar too, lots of very bright girls who are slightly socially awkward, typically. Also some definite attention seekers joining in the trend. However, does it really matter if they do not alter their bodies in any long term way? One of her friends was trying to explain the very complex differences to me between gender and sexual orientation and how they are entirely separate. Let’s say chromosomes F, gender non binary, pan vs bi, vs fluid, vs gay vs hetero and how they all work with gender. I just cannot understand it. What I can understand is rejecting all labels. And some of the girls are claiming to be asexual and only emotionally involved. So I think for some it is just a way of staying young and childlike for longer and not having to deal with a female body and all that entails in terms of unwanted male attention.

True, some children struggle with growing up and trans gives them a way of delaying that inevitability.

It will happen, some young people cannot cope with growing up. Parent should help them grow up, not stunt them.

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Fuckingfuming1 · 09/08/2023 23:38

nolongersurprised · 04/08/2023 22:46

You reckon?

I have 4 children, the oldest is 17. A few years ago they accepted gender ideology unquestioningly, now they think (and express) that’s it’s a load of made up crap. As a fad, I think it’s dying.

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I agree, I have a 13-year-old his mates sister is transgender. He thinks it’s a load of bollocks and so does the mate.

Moneynewpence · 10/08/2023 00:47

They should be taught that trans people are all liars? Yes, that can't possibly end in bullying, hate crime and suicides.
But since you are obviously (given your obessive repeat posts) A-OK with those things...

nolongersurprised · 10/08/2023 01:13

Moneynewpence · 10/08/2023 00:47

They should be taught that trans people are all liars? Yes, that can't possibly end in bullying, hate crime and suicides.
But since you are obviously (given your obessive repeat posts) A-OK with those things...

Ignoring the hyperbole in this post it is very important that children do not conflate sex and gender, whatever gender is (all 107 of them).

It is imperative that children appreciate that humans cannot change sex.

So yes, children need to know biological reality. They need to know that no child or adult can change sex and that hormones/surgery/whatever do not enable that to happen.

It’s like religion, isn’t it? Some people believe that there are 107 genders and some - don’t

Wheresmemum · 10/08/2023 01:31

I agree OP, society is becoming completely intolerant of what is innately within us as human beings. Women are no longer allowed to be women and men are no longer allowed to be men. Children are becoming increasingly confused because they are told that they might be a boy today but can be a girl tomorrow etc. Parents who are so desperate to be seen as accepting, tolerant and liberal are sacrificing their own children on the alter of lgbtq+. A significant amount of children who were helped to transition have spoken out about the negative consequences and effects it has had on them and how it has ruined their lives. If a person wants to live in whichever way they choose, as long as its not hurting others, then that's their business. However, pushing trans ideology onto children is hurting them, it's hurting society as a whole. Pushing trans ideology onto children is not about benefiting any child, it's about trans people seeking validation. It's not okay to do that through children. This is contributing to a mental health epidemic which will increase in young children all thanks to trans people forcing their way of life onto others!

Wheresmemum · 10/08/2023 01:40

And ps, yes biological truth, facts does need to be taught in schools. There are things in life that are facts. I watched a video recently where someone was asking a paramedic if a man who identified as a woman was telling the paramedic they were having a miscarriage, would the paramedic treat him medically for a miscarriage? It's obvious that biologically there is no way he could be having a miscarriage! That said it all for me. I'm not bothered about what anyone identifies as, it's the insidious pushing of it onto others that's worrying, and the attempts at trying to turn it into everyone else's reality!

OneTwoThreeShake · 10/08/2023 06:38

On the contrary, I think evangelical bullshit should be kept out of the classroom and he was rightly fired.

The 2 things are not the same. It is biological fact that your sex is either male or female. But sex is not gender, and whether you personally like it or not, our world is changing and gender is becoming more fluid with each new generation.
The job of the teacher is not to impart their own idealistic view of the world. It is to support and safeguard the children in their care, to treat them with dignity and to both teach them fact and theory, and encourage them to dissect and interpret information.

MariaVT65 · 10/08/2023 06:48

OneTwoThreeShake · 10/08/2023 06:38

On the contrary, I think evangelical bullshit should be kept out of the classroom and he was rightly fired.

The 2 things are not the same. It is biological fact that your sex is either male or female. But sex is not gender, and whether you personally like it or not, our world is changing and gender is becoming more fluid with each new generation.
The job of the teacher is not to impart their own idealistic view of the world. It is to support and safeguard the children in their care, to treat them with dignity and to both teach them fact and theory, and encourage them to dissect and interpret information.

The issue is, it’s not people’s gender that is the issue really. A transwoman may use their gender to access women’s changing rooms, but it is their sex that impacts our feeling of safety. It is their sex that determines their physical strength and the fact they have a penis. So acknowledging a person’s real sex is what is important to us, but we are being denied that based on gender.

LulooLemon · 10/08/2023 07:18

I agree, gender is not the issue.

We have spent decades being told to cover our drinks, don't walk alone at night, avoid isolated areas, check in the back seat and floorwell of the car before getting in, carry your house keys in one hand and a rape alarm on the other hand etc. and then SUDDENLY we're supposed to accept males in our changing rooms and toilets just because they 'feel' like women.

CatSpam3 · 10/08/2023 07:36

If someone (anyone, anywhere?) who believes people can 'change gender' could explain to me what gender is without referencing sex-based stereotypes (hair length, clothing, mannerisms etc) I would be very grateful 🙏
I think this has already been asked but as yet I haven't seen a reply....

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Tryingmuchharder · 10/08/2023 08:25

Moneynewpence · 10/08/2023 00:47

They should be taught that trans people are all liars? Yes, that can't possibly end in bullying, hate crime and suicides.
But since you are obviously (given your obessive repeat posts) A-OK with those things...

Oh dear. It is a lie to say you can change biological sex, so whomever pushes that pushes the lie.

As another poster said "It is imperative that children appreciate that humans cannot change sex. So yes, children need to know biological reality. They need to know that no child or adult can change sex and that hormones/surgery/whatever do not enable that to happen."

I also agree with their comment that the gender stuff (with the young) is like a new religious cult.... "Some people believe that there are 107 genders and some - don’t". The cult says you must say this, use this pronoun, do that, allow biological men and boys into biological women and girls changing rooms and safe spaces. I don't believe in the cult or the lies being peddled. I am others will push back against this damaging social contagion. Use your brain people cannot change sex!

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nolongersurprised · 10/08/2023 08:29

But sex is not gender, and whether you personally like it or not, our world is changing and gender is becoming more fluid with each new generation

Can you elaborate on this?

I think it’s the opposite and gender roles are becoming more regressive and stereotypical. I am a child of the 70s - toys were toys and not packaged in blue/pink boxes, we wore the same clothes as our brothers and no one thought that girls with short hair were “masc”.

The entire 80s and 90s had men with long hair, make up without them declaring themselves trans.

Societal trends don’t last, and after this 107 genders crap fades away people will pretend they never called themselves a “tansmasc demiboy” or whatever because they had short hair.

OhSmitty · 10/08/2023 08:37

Feelings can not and should not trump fact IMO.

This teacher however sounds like he was spouting offensive opinions based on his conservative religious views.

NotBadConsidering · 10/08/2023 08:38

OneTwoThreeShake · 10/08/2023 06:38

On the contrary, I think evangelical bullshit should be kept out of the classroom and he was rightly fired.

The 2 things are not the same. It is biological fact that your sex is either male or female. But sex is not gender, and whether you personally like it or not, our world is changing and gender is becoming more fluid with each new generation.
The job of the teacher is not to impart their own idealistic view of the world. It is to support and safeguard the children in their care, to treat them with dignity and to both teach them fact and theory, and encourage them to dissect and interpret information.

”Gender is becoming more fluid”.

How is telling children that if they’re a girl who likes football and trucks she must be a boy anything fluid? It’s entirely rigid.

lifeturnsonadime · 10/08/2023 08:43

Absolutely poppycock that gender is becoming more fluid.

Because of gender there has been a rush of young (often autistic) girls declaring themselves to be boys because they don't conform with stereotypes. Some of them go on to have radical elective mastectomies and other 'affirming surgeries'.

There is nothing fluid about life changing surgery.

There are hundreds of women, many like me who have been fluid in terms of gender for decades. I'm so glad that I didn't get convinced as a teen that I was really a boy because I would definitely have been vulnerable to it.

I'm happy in my woman's body now. It's not perfect but. it's borne my children and breastfed my kids.

What we are doing to our kids is not promoting any kind of fluidity. It's rigid and cruel..

NotBadConsidering · 10/08/2023 08:46

You can’t fluidly stick a teenage girl’s breasts back on🙄

Beautiful3 · 10/08/2023 09:48

It's brainwashing of little children who are vunerable and ar risk of harming themselves. It manifests into a mental illness. Imagine feeling different but not sure why as a teen and being told, you obviously want to be the opposite gender. Going through surgeries and hormone treatments to feel happy, learning that it had nothing to do with it. Many confused children are just gay or autistic and not fitting in. They don't have to fit in, just grow and develop as human beings. It shouldn't be allowed to butcher children, it's sickening. Schools shouldn't be allowed to brainwash children. Just stick to science and facts. I echo others on here that this movement is akin to a religious cult. Its scary, dangerous and disturbing.

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 10/08/2023 12:00

OneTwoThreeShake · 10/08/2023 06:38

On the contrary, I think evangelical bullshit should be kept out of the classroom and he was rightly fired.

The 2 things are not the same. It is biological fact that your sex is either male or female. But sex is not gender, and whether you personally like it or not, our world is changing and gender is becoming more fluid with each new generation.
The job of the teacher is not to impart their own idealistic view of the world. It is to support and safeguard the children in their care, to treat them with dignity and to both teach them fact and theory, and encourage them to dissect and interpret information.

I agree that there shouldn't be any evangelism of any sort in the classroom, and I include gender evangelism in that too.

What exactly do you think gender is? And why should someone who "changes their gender" be allowed into spaces that are for the opposite sex?

Also, let's be clear about what changing gender means.
A person can simply have a thought in their head and that's it, they've changed gender. It doesn't mean they have to change their name, their clothes, their pronouns, no hormones, no surgery, no diagnosis of anything, none of it. It's literally the thought inside a person's head. Why on earth should society have to go along with that?

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