Biological truth should be taught to children?

[Tryingmuchharder]

AIBU for thinking that biological truth should be taught to children rather than trans ideology.... men can give birth, people can change sex, etc etc.

A teacher was suspended and appealed and recently his appealed was overturned. He was sacked for 'misgendering' a girl by calling her a girl rather than a boy. He taught biological fact and not ideology so was sacked.

Surely biological facts should be taught to our children? AIBU

I've never had a comment or a word about my hairy legs in summer from my LGBTQ+ friends, other than 'that dress looks nice'. I have had raised eyebrows from other women, nagging from my mum because it's 'unhygenic', gagging noises from immature girls at school. So I'm just going off my experience / perhaps what I've seen on reddit!

So why is the TQ community determined to get better access to medical transition then? Why are they announcing and declaring to everyone that their presentation is what makes them non-binary or the opposite sex? Why are teenage girls with ASD/sexual orientation confusion deciding that because they like stereotypical “boy” things it makes them a boy? And if the message from the queer community is what you say it is, why isn’t the queer community correcting these confused girls?

If the queer community was all about “dress how you like”, no one would need to do any form of transition medically, would they?

I guess at first I would say that a third space would need to be found, but if it really is sincere and persistent then with proper safeguards and discussion with them and the rest of the girls, I think they should be where they identify. Most changing rooms have cubicles nowadays anyway

no. My daughters don’t want to be changing in mixed sex spaces.

Yes present how you like but generally FWR will say this doesn’t give you access to female spaces if you are a male

If we all agreed on that we wouldn’t have the clash we do

Women wouldn’t care if men wore whatever - I mean they can decide to leave a marriage for whatever reason - but the main issue is males accessing female spaces / sports etc

Also compelled pronouns is an issue

Drop all that and do as you suggest, be a woman with armpit hair or a man in a skirt and that’s it, then great.

I don't consider myself LGBTQ+ and I rarely shave my legs or arm pits. No one has ever commented! i don't wear make up.

I find this fascinating. When I was younger I used to feel compelled to conform with stereotypes more. Now I can't be arsed.

That's nothing to do with gender though. It's just a combination of laziness and not giving a fuck about how I look.

I think we need to separate biological facts from mental health issues and talk about both honestly and openly.

I think Ladybrrd is very young. With time she’ll appreciate how little it it matters if she shaves or not and she’ll feel like she can just be herself, not “agender”.

And why on earth has costa decided to use an image of what seems to be a teenage girl with mastectomy scars in their advertising.

Grim.

https://unherd.com/thepost/costas-trans-mastectomy-advert-is-an-insult-to-women/

It’s interesting that this behaviour:

I've never had a comment or a word about my hairy legs in summer from my LGBTQ+ friends, other than 'that dress looks nice'.

Is somehow seen to be unique to the LGBTQ+ community. If someone was sat with a group of middle aged people, not just women, would anyone give a toss if they had hairy legs, let alone feel the need to mention it? This isn’t about LGBTQ+ community being better with stereotypes, it’s about some people are dicks and the older you get the less you care about what others think about your appearance or other people’s appearance.

Whaaat? Is that what that is? I just thought they were his pecs! I wouldn't have picked up on the trans thing. That's insane. If they were using a pictureof someone with a physical disability they wouldn't show surgery scars. If they were promoting mental health awareness, they wouldn't (i hope!) show self harm scars or an emaciated or morbidly obese frame. Just advertise coffee ffs, not a dodgy political point.

It took me all of two minutes to do that bit of research that the OP should have done in the first place

For the poster who disputes my DD’s approach to gender:

She’s just spent the evening at a friend’s house. There were quite a few girls there. They thought it would be funny to take the piss out of US style gender reveals as seen on TikTok (I mean, they’re teen girls). They recorded themselves doing a fake one including the person (not my DD) saying they were the “cool Aunty”, and the gender reveal was pointless because the baby would be non-binary.

Definitely laughing at it all.

That's you throwing out a story. I doubt teenagers sit around gender-critical send-ups on Tik-Tok just at the right time for Mum to write about it on a thread about gender politics.

As I was driving to pick my daughter up I was thinking about this child who was commenting on this “gender fluid” child in their sibling’s year.

I wonder if she was relating the story to get an adult’s opinion about it all (and how fucked up it is). She may have been sanguine but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t utterly confused. This is not a criticism of the poster, more an observation that adults tend to avoid engaging children in discussions around gender identity.

i find then when I do dig deeper with children bringing this up, then their responses are child-like. Some children believe that people can actually change sex.

Adults are failing children with this. There’s a fake presumption that children have a (pseudo) precocity when it comes to “gender” and somehow that means that 10 year olds can consent to a hormonal pathway that will lead to sterility and lack of sexual function.

They don’t think they’re being gender critical. They’re just taking the piss of gender reveal TikToks, but I thought the “non binary” reveal was funny in the context of this thread.

You and I disagree about “this generation” but my observations ( with 4 children) is that gender ideology is waning as a trend.

You obviously believe in it all - can you name the 107 genders?

It’s not teens sitting around being gender critical. It’s teens mocking stupid ideas among their peers which they’ve done since the dawn of human existence. It just so happens that the most prevalent stupid idea among teens right now is that you can change your sex.

Actually, notbad said it better 😀

@OCaptain most teens think 'gender' is a load of nonsense now. I know my DS who's 17 and all his friends are so past it.

They can't speak out about it too much for the same reason that most adults can't. If a teacher can be disciplined for believing in biological reality then so can kids.

It seems that there are a bunch of young adults in their 20s who are still believers and some younger kids who are still really impressionable, which is why it's so awful that this is being taught in schools as fact.

Then there are the parents who have been sold 'gender' as a solution to their child's other issues, as the parent of an autistic teenage girl I can tell you there are loads of them. Once you've started on this track it's hard to back down, particularly if you've convinced yourself / been convinced that puberty blockers are the cure for anxiety and depression and will stop your kid from killing themselves rather than treating the actual mental health issue. And there are the ones who have told their young sons they are girls, they are not going to give much of a shit if your daughter has to share single sex spaces with their male child as he grows up, it's all about their child's special rainbow feelings.

Well apparently Ive had a post removed on this thread but they didnt tell me which one.

This is the problem with trying to discuss reality.

Totally agree op.

I'm very happy that once dc hit 18 they cannot do all sorts to the sends if they wish but they're I'd absolutely no need for all UK dc to get in to trans stuff at all

Totally agree.

The term "gender-affirming" is deeply creepy to me as it boils down to "adhering to the stereotypes that feminists and LGB activists have spent decades trying to break down."

I have no patience for it.

This teacher obviously is abhorrent for his right-wing views and sharing his YouTube with pupils etc.
however, on the wider debate I can only come from a point of my own reference.
DD is non-binary and has identified as such for nearly 3 years. I tend to not use pronouns and refer to dd by name if we are both in the room (birth name, thus has not changed, let’s use ‘R’). So R is def neurodiverse and bisexual (is a young adult st uni most of the year).
When we have discussions around gender and I counter arguments R just says I’m R’ - as they are their own person.
I don’t affirm but I just try to make the other side of the coin shown.
DH does not accept non-binary at all and will always refer to R as ‘she’ - we all use ‘she’ when R isn’t around. Tbh I’m not that comfortable using she or they in any context as R doesn’t like ‘she’, but I don’t like ‘they’.
I think it’s very different having your own child who is gender questioning as you can be as ‘anti’b as you like, but you can’t alienate your own child (right-wing nutters aside). I’m pretty liberal generally but this gender stuff gets stuck in my craw as I do think it’s pretty much fuelled by social media/contagion.

Thanks to those that did research the teach and found out that he was generally not a nice person on a range of things too. I didn't fully check that so glad it was pointed to me.

I still feel on the point of biological face that only facts should be taught eg you cannot change biological sex.

@Ladybrrrd my n/b daughter doesn’t shave either and I think it looks grim! I’m not eve sure it’s due to being n/b or just laziness and not liking feel of regrowth.

“I’m pretty liberal generally but this gender stuff gets stuck in my craw as I do think it’s pretty much fuelled by social media/contagion.”

There is a lot of non binary at my DD’s grammar too, lots of very bright girls who are slightly socially awkward, typically. Also some definite attention seekers joining in the trend. However, does it really matter if they do not alter their bodies in any long term way? One of her friends was trying to explain the very complex differences to me between gender and sexual orientation and how they are entirely separate. Let’s say chromosomes F, gender non binary, pan vs bi, vs fluid, vs gay vs hetero and how they all work with gender. I just cannot understand it. What I can understand is rejecting all labels. And some of the girls are claiming to be asexual and only emotionally involved. So I think for some it is just a way of staying young and childlike for longer and not having to deal with a female body and all that entails in terms of unwanted male attention.