Biological truth should be taught to children?

[Tryingmuchharder]

AIBU for thinking that biological truth should be taught to children rather than trans ideology.... men can give birth, people can change sex, etc etc.

A teacher was suspended and appealed and recently his appealed was overturned. He was sacked for 'misgendering' a girl by calling her a girl rather than a boy. He taught biological fact and not ideology so was sacked.

Surely biological facts should be taught to our children? AIBU

Depends on the child. The lessons get more content the older the children get and it can confuse some children

The misconduct panel also heard that the maths teacher has made multiple videos on a YouTube channel, which multiple of his pupils are allegedly subscribed to, where he purports that Muslims have a “false understanding of God” and that Muhammad was a “false prophet.”
He shared his personal YouTube channel with the children. That alone is deeply inappropriate.

This was not about 'biological truth'; it was about the teacher pushing his Christian Right ideological views onto the pupils: on several occasions, and at two different schools.

He told pupils that he was against gay marriage; he told them that Muslims are following 'a false prophet'; and he showed them a PragerU video, which included such statements as:

'(i) The growing problem in today’s society is that men are not masculine enough;
ii. When men deny their masculinity, they run away from responsibilities leaving destruction and devastation in their wake;
iii. Children who grow up without a father are generally more depressed than their peers who have a mother and father. They are at a far greater risk of incarceration, teen pregnancy, and poverty. 71% of High School dropouts are fatherless;
iv. Woman want real men…I don’t know any woman of any age who is attracted to a passive man who looks to her to be his provider, protector, and leader;
v. Passive men don’t defend, protect, or provide. Passive men do not lead'

And Mr. Sutcliffe was a maths teacher, not a teacher of religious studies, or any subject where expressing these views could have been remotely relevant to a topic being taught.

In the case of the trans pupil, it wasn't just a matter of offending the pupil, but revealing the pupil's trans status to others who had not previously been informed.

Take your half-researched, sensational thoughts off to the Gender forum.

@Tryingmuchharder

Have you not read the news coverage in full? No-one (here) is arguing against biological fact but there is an appropriate time to raise these matters. He additionally gave his views on homosexuality during a maths class, expressed anti-Muslim views in videos he encouraged his students to watch & has spoken about his views on masculinity, where there is no reasonable context to do so.

I'm GC. Individuals like this do not support GC theories & approaches, but rather co-opt them for their extreme or right-wing views. It's harmful to GC thought.

Aww so sad that you don’t know how to use Google search! Luckily some kind people have copied the info for you…

Oh please , I never meet any child that gets that easily confused

And anyway wasn’t this the teacher that liked the Andrew Tate guy and was also homophobic and islamophobic ? I’m finding it very hard to support him after reading a bit about it

I've had these conversations with my dd for years. She knows about biology and is thankfully very clear on this. She also knows that she should be respectful and that some people identify differently and we should acknowledge and respect them, unless it's men trying to come into female spaces or sports. She's an athlete herself and trains
5 times per weeks. She sees first hand the male biological advantage that wasn't so evident 6 months ago.

@Mookie81 reported you

Touché

Oh, that's interesting! I don't actually have children but I'm a teacher so I'm surrounded by young people all the time. Though I teach performing arts so those I know best tend to be on the more 'woke' (that's not the right word but I don't really know what is. Artistic? Alternative?) end of the spectrum. Many of my friends are in their 20s or early 30s and involved in the theatre industry and they're all fully invested in it too.

But maybe young people express different, more authentic, views at home with their parents than when surrounded by their peers. Would make sense.

Gender is a performance in society, based on pronouns, names, clothes, appearance and now feelings on the inside of a person, how they emotionally feel about their gender and wish to portray it in society. It is kinder to accept a person’s wishes if they feel so strongly about it.

Biological fact is that despite hormones, mastectomies etc nobody can change their XX or XY chromosomes in their cells. That is a fact.

Both things need to be taught and understood. And children need to be protected from making irreversible choices if they are not yet competent or aware enough to do so. This is the part I really struggle with - age of consent. What it should be. We do it for driving, sex, drinking etc- there needs to be something concrete prescribed by law, in my opinion if a child wishes to make permanent changes with life long health repercussions.

I think it’s the alternative kids. This generations’ artistic kids or disturbed kids. Previously goths/punks/emos.

I agree “alternative gender expression” is rife in the performing arts, also children who have left mainstream schools for whatever reason and in children in care.

I work with children too, and as well as my own, over the last few years there’s been a shift to eye rolling when they talk about other kids who are now non-binary or whatever.

One of my daughters does debating and after they won they were (privately) mercilessly taking the piss of a school they debated where no one’s sex marched their pronouns. A few years ago they wouldn’t have laughed.

@nolongersurprised

One of my daughters does debating and after they won they were (privately) mercilessly taking the piss of a school they debated where no one’s sex marched their pronouns. A few years ago they wouldn’t have laughed.

How lovely and mature of your daughter and the rest of the debating team. I'd suggest acceptance is the healthier road here. The people in the other team were hurting no-one.

I can identify as a horse if I wanted too doesn't mean I am one or that people can't think I have lost my marbles but I see it as the new mods, rockers, punks just a trend that in 10/20 years it will move on to some other thing that people think they are the first ones to think up till the next generation finds the next thing

Speaking with my 13 year old daughter on this topic and she said that her school does teach biological truth and that it's social media that pushes this agenda as well as her peers who don't have parents that talk to them and are too busy.
I have noticed a big correlation myself amongst my daughters friends that when their parents are busy with work a lot and socialising etc that they're more likely to be influenced by the internet and other kids.
Our children have always spoken to us and spent a lot of time with us, so we've been able to have open discussions about these things and as a result they haven't fallen for it.
They're definitely more PC then we are but they've not been 'captured' just perhaps a little more immune to it.

I think Disney parades are for CHILDREN and should remain being about characters from Disney movies not about sexuality or gender/sex confusion.

Well some children are confused by the 8 times table, or the metric system, or foreign languages or European history. Even reading can be difficult if you are dyslexic or not supported adequately. Are you saying nothing should ever be taught that might "confuse some children"?

They don’t think children can change sex, and vehemently disagree with compelled speech.

#bekind in this setting has done untold damage to women’s rights to same sex spaces, sports and even language.

Gender ideology is deeply damaging and hurtful to girls and women. I am rapid of her for appreciating this at a young age.

*proud, not rapid!

Please show me the research that demonstrates people can change sex