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That I’m not DH “true love”

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Jensajenning · 04/08/2023 20:00

Together 15 years , 3 DC and shouldn’t it be that I am his true love. But I’m not - apparently our love is companionship, it’s family, it’s parents to our kids , it’s him keeping the promises and vows he’s made - but it’s not true love or rather I’m not who he sees as his true love . I know how this sounds but it genuinely wasn’t said to hurt me I don’t think. It was said so matter of fact as if that’s just the way it is .

Last night he was packing to go back to his home country as he does every august , (I don’t go because I can’t bear the heat- esp this year) he’s taking our 2 older dc so l was sat on the bed talking to him about how eldest DD is still not keen wanting to spend the summer with her friends instead . He made a comment more like she wanted to spend the summer with her boyfriend , and I laughed and said but that’s love don’t you remember feeling that way at the start and he said no .
I admit now I know our relationship has never been passionate fireworks on his end but I hoped even though I suppose in a way I knew even back then I wasn’t his first choice. That I was there more at the right time , and to be fair being 7 years older he came along at the right time for me - but I did and do love him .

His answer still shocked me in the moment and I said have you ever felt that way and he clearly didn’t want to continue but I pushed and started to talk about it didn’t matter as true love is the one that lasts past that stage , that carries on once you were in thick of things and came out the other end like we have .

I suppose I was seeking reassurance , but instead he sighed and said what he did - that I was his companion, his wife , his family , the mother to his children etc but not his true love . He said true love was different and he’d known that and lost it and accepted this was his deal . That life wasn’t fair like that , you can have the wife , the kids , the house , the money , the holidays but you didn’t get everything .

I should have left it there but I didn’t - I didn’t because I wanted to know who he would say it was or if he would admit it was who I thought .
Like I’ve said I had felt I was more the right time, and there was someone particular before me . She’s from his home town , is still friends with his sisters, and I know he sees her whenever he visits home. I met her when we married, and heard the rumours about her and their history from his brothers wife since .
I know he isn’t having an affair - she’s married with a child and they ended as she wouldn’t leave to come to the UK -but i wondered if it was her as he’d never spoken of her except once when we first met .

He wouldn’t admit it all he would say was that he’s never not done his duty by me or treated me poorly so he didn’t think I had room to complain.
It spiralled - he would have happily ended the conversation but I couldn’t stop , it was almost like I wanted to hurt myself I can’t explain it any other way , like I needed the pain to believe it because his demeanour was so calm and casual as if we were talking about what to buy from the shops …

He got angry in the end when I kept bringing her name up and how if that was love why didn’t she follow him and why was she married now and he said

“If I was told I had a day , a week, a month left to live I’d go and be with her , I would tell you I’ve done my duty , I kept my promises so now it’s my time to have what I want and I’d go to her - yes that’s it are you happy now”

He stormed out after that and didn’t come to bed and today he’s barely spoken to me . They leave for the airport in a few hours and I don’t know what to say to anyone - how can I come back from this - I wish I had never pushed - but I can’t comprehend how he has compartmentalised his life like that …

OP posts:
queenofsheep · 08/08/2023 23:19

OutsideLookingOut · 08/08/2023 17:08

Meh as women we are told this is what will happen and many women do want it but just as many won’t. I wouldn’t be willing to settle for that, I don’t see being married or having kids as important if it isn’t with a likeminded person even if I never get to do it. In the past you’d be made fun off for being a spinster but now… I guess those of us happy to be single don’t care. It should be a privilege to pass on your DNA - I wouldn’t do that for any man unless we really loved each other.

To each their own, imo most lives are conventional

pilates · 09/08/2023 06:41

I wonder how many people have settled in their marriages? I think the percentage would be quite high.

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 07:06

queenofsheep · 08/08/2023 23:19

To each their own, imo most lives are conventional

That is true whether you marry or not but I feel so grateful to be in this time and in the U.K. where most of us have a choice who and if we marry and if we have kids. I never felt a biological clock either and many women actually don’t and though there can be pressure from society there has never been so many amazing child free groups with people just living a normal life and showing that there are many valid ways to live. But maybe the biggest thing is that as women we can support ourselves if we choose which makes marriage a choice rather than a necessity.

Saying all, I completely understand those that are happy to marry for companionship and not romantic love. I think there must be respect on both sides however, so many of the threads in here make me happy im not married! Men not pulling their weight with children or housework and putting down their partners etc etc seeks so common.

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 17:28

pilates · 09/08/2023 06:41

I wonder how many people have settled in their marriages? I think the percentage would be quite high.

It's not like something you can find a statistic for Grin

I SUSPECT we all settle at some point. Even marriages that start from a fairytale romance end up mundane. It's called getting used to someone.

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 17:29

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 07:06

That is true whether you marry or not but I feel so grateful to be in this time and in the U.K. where most of us have a choice who and if we marry and if we have kids. I never felt a biological clock either and many women actually don’t and though there can be pressure from society there has never been so many amazing child free groups with people just living a normal life and showing that there are many valid ways to live. But maybe the biggest thing is that as women we can support ourselves if we choose which makes marriage a choice rather than a necessity.

Saying all, I completely understand those that are happy to marry for companionship and not romantic love. I think there must be respect on both sides however, so many of the threads in here make me happy im not married! Men not pulling their weight with children or housework and putting down their partners etc etc seeks so common.

True what you say about respect. Marriage isn't so much about being totally in love with a guy. It's learning to tolerate one another.

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 17:30

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 07:06

That is true whether you marry or not but I feel so grateful to be in this time and in the U.K. where most of us have a choice who and if we marry and if we have kids. I never felt a biological clock either and many women actually don’t and though there can be pressure from society there has never been so many amazing child free groups with people just living a normal life and showing that there are many valid ways to live. But maybe the biggest thing is that as women we can support ourselves if we choose which makes marriage a choice rather than a necessity.

Saying all, I completely understand those that are happy to marry for companionship and not romantic love. I think there must be respect on both sides however, so many of the threads in here make me happy im not married! Men not pulling their weight with children or housework and putting down their partners etc etc seeks so common.

I believe those that remain single have essentially 'settled' for themselves.

GarlicGrace · 09/08/2023 17:42

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 17:30

I believe those that remain single have essentially 'settled' for themselves.

Yes and no. Having mistakenly married two men who didn't love me enough, I'm staying with myself unless I meet a man who loves me as much as I do - and whom I love as much as I love me!

This is freedom, I think, not settling.

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 17:51

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 17:30

I believe those that remain single have essentially 'settled' for themselves.

I'm not sure. A partner would need to offer me more than my current life does to be worthwhile. An unhappily single person however may never feel truly settled with themself. It probably depends if the singleness was a choice. A bit like being childless vs childfree. I don't think you can really "settle" if it is exactly what you want? I don't call it settling but freedom and am thankful to have this choice.

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 17:54

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 17:29

True what you say about respect. Marriage isn't so much about being totally in love with a guy. It's learning to tolerate one another.

I kind of agree but you can learn to tolerate terrible things, though, which is not good! Still, it is up to both parties if the trade-offs are fair however I think many women will put up with more than they should just so they are not single. The women who put men above their dependent children are a common case of this.

If you have independence and autonomy I think you might be less willing to put up with bad behaviour from a partner.

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 22:31

GarlicGrace · 09/08/2023 17:42

Yes and no. Having mistakenly married two men who didn't love me enough, I'm staying with myself unless I meet a man who loves me as much as I do - and whom I love as much as I love me!

This is freedom, I think, not settling.

Can we ever be free once we've entered a marriage pact, though? Having children further complicates the issue - it means you can never be free from your ex until at least your children are adults themselves. There will always be shared obligations

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 22:33

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 17:51

I'm not sure. A partner would need to offer me more than my current life does to be worthwhile. An unhappily single person however may never feel truly settled with themself. It probably depends if the singleness was a choice. A bit like being childless vs childfree. I don't think you can really "settle" if it is exactly what you want? I don't call it settling but freedom and am thankful to have this choice.

We can't always have what we want. Life is never perfect, we make do

queenofsheep · 09/08/2023 22:36

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 17:54

I kind of agree but you can learn to tolerate terrible things, though, which is not good! Still, it is up to both parties if the trade-offs are fair however I think many women will put up with more than they should just so they are not single. The women who put men above their dependent children are a common case of this.

If you have independence and autonomy I think you might be less willing to put up with bad behaviour from a partner.

Yes there are certainly boundaries that we must be aware of as women

Stravaig · 09/08/2023 23:29

GarlicGrace · 09/08/2023 17:42

Yes and no. Having mistakenly married two men who didn't love me enough, I'm staying with myself unless I meet a man who loves me as much as I do - and whom I love as much as I love me!

This is freedom, I think, not settling.

Beautifully expressed 🤗

Oatycookies · 09/08/2023 23:46

OutsideLookingOut · 09/08/2023 17:51

I'm not sure. A partner would need to offer me more than my current life does to be worthwhile. An unhappily single person however may never feel truly settled with themself. It probably depends if the singleness was a choice. A bit like being childless vs childfree. I don't think you can really "settle" if it is exactly what you want? I don't call it settling but freedom and am thankful to have this choice.

Yes I don’t think of being single as settling either. I have a lot of self-love and self- respect and I’m happy with my principles, morals and how I live my life. And I think I’m pretty fab, so how is it settling? If I meet some I find equally as fab then it won’t be settling either but until then I’m happy to be single.

Indeed those that feel they are not enough and have low self esteem are the ones who tend to be in a hurry to “settle” with anyone who will have them.

Oatycookies · 09/08/2023 23:59

Phillipsson · 08/08/2023 03:20

Well he’s with you for appearances, where do you go from here? You can stay with him as things are, stay with him and not be monogamous (potentially a more common set up that you might assume?), or leave. Personally I would leave but I don’t have the same thoughts and experiences as you. I think him entering the UK illegally is relevant as he’s essentially used you and your body to legitimise his right to reside. Has he even properly bonded with his children I wonder? To him, it’s always been a marriage of convenience.

There are many men and women who enter legally but try and marry for a visa /passport so they can remain here as long as they like .

So the issue is more about him doing the second part of that but not the first.

FWIW I’ve had legal residents try it on with me clearly looking for a passport but never illegal. In either case I agree it’s despicable when they don’t let the other person know.

there’s nothing Op has said to suggest he isn’t an active engaged father who has bonded with his kids especially as he chooses to take them home to his family and help them get to know the other half of their heritage (something many men who have dual heritage kids are woefully lacking in doing hence a lot of kids with identity issues)

Moneynewpence · 10/08/2023 00:23

Laiku · 07/08/2023 04:14

All hail feminism!

WTF is this supposed to mean? If it's a sarky "well, all you feminists make men say this kind of thing" you can bog off.

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