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That I’m not DH “true love”

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Jensajenning · 04/08/2023 20:00

Together 15 years , 3 DC and shouldn’t it be that I am his true love. But I’m not - apparently our love is companionship, it’s family, it’s parents to our kids , it’s him keeping the promises and vows he’s made - but it’s not true love or rather I’m not who he sees as his true love . I know how this sounds but it genuinely wasn’t said to hurt me I don’t think. It was said so matter of fact as if that’s just the way it is .

Last night he was packing to go back to his home country as he does every august , (I don’t go because I can’t bear the heat- esp this year) he’s taking our 2 older dc so l was sat on the bed talking to him about how eldest DD is still not keen wanting to spend the summer with her friends instead . He made a comment more like she wanted to spend the summer with her boyfriend , and I laughed and said but that’s love don’t you remember feeling that way at the start and he said no .
I admit now I know our relationship has never been passionate fireworks on his end but I hoped even though I suppose in a way I knew even back then I wasn’t his first choice. That I was there more at the right time , and to be fair being 7 years older he came along at the right time for me - but I did and do love him .

His answer still shocked me in the moment and I said have you ever felt that way and he clearly didn’t want to continue but I pushed and started to talk about it didn’t matter as true love is the one that lasts past that stage , that carries on once you were in thick of things and came out the other end like we have .

I suppose I was seeking reassurance , but instead he sighed and said what he did - that I was his companion, his wife , his family , the mother to his children etc but not his true love . He said true love was different and he’d known that and lost it and accepted this was his deal . That life wasn’t fair like that , you can have the wife , the kids , the house , the money , the holidays but you didn’t get everything .

I should have left it there but I didn’t - I didn’t because I wanted to know who he would say it was or if he would admit it was who I thought .
Like I’ve said I had felt I was more the right time, and there was someone particular before me . She’s from his home town , is still friends with his sisters, and I know he sees her whenever he visits home. I met her when we married, and heard the rumours about her and their history from his brothers wife since .
I know he isn’t having an affair - she’s married with a child and they ended as she wouldn’t leave to come to the UK -but i wondered if it was her as he’d never spoken of her except once when we first met .

He wouldn’t admit it all he would say was that he’s never not done his duty by me or treated me poorly so he didn’t think I had room to complain.
It spiralled - he would have happily ended the conversation but I couldn’t stop , it was almost like I wanted to hurt myself I can’t explain it any other way , like I needed the pain to believe it because his demeanour was so calm and casual as if we were talking about what to buy from the shops …

He got angry in the end when I kept bringing her name up and how if that was love why didn’t she follow him and why was she married now and he said

“If I was told I had a day , a week, a month left to live I’d go and be with her , I would tell you I’ve done my duty , I kept my promises so now it’s my time to have what I want and I’d go to her - yes that’s it are you happy now”

He stormed out after that and didn’t come to bed and today he’s barely spoken to me . They leave for the airport in a few hours and I don’t know what to say to anyone - how can I come back from this - I wish I had never pushed - but I can’t comprehend how he has compartmentalised his life like that …

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Starshiptroopee · 05/08/2023 13:59

There's a crude saying: alpha f*s, beta bucks applied to what women do when they settle for a man they're not into.
Poor sods get treated like a lovable pet but never truly desired.
The female equivalent is the fwb who suddenly finds herself a girlfriend when her cocklodging fwb needs somewhere to live.

In this day and age, where marriage is based not on necessity to live, nobody should be anyone's second best- there's no reason for it.

MisschiefMaker · 05/08/2023 14:24

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7eleven · 05/08/2023 14:27

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Wow.

Twattergy · 05/08/2023 14:34

OP it'd be good to use the time he is away to see a counsellor and explore this. If I was your therapist I'd put your husband 'outside of the room' and focus on why you push him on this issue. Why now? What's happening for you now that make you want/need to hear a confirmation of something you say deep down you already knew. This to me is at the heart of the matter. Because maybe there is something in you, subconsciously that wants to disrupt the status quo. That's how your posts read to me. Explore that.

FuckNuggets · 05/08/2023 15:41

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Of course I know, I know both his exes one of whom he had a child with. We've been together for a very long time.

curlywurlylover666 · 05/08/2023 15:43

This is quite a painful thread to read. I'm sorry you've got to deal with this, it's painful to read so must be awful for you to try and figure things out. They say some things are best unsaid and perhaps this is one of those prime examples.

The thing is you don't build a life, a home a family with someone you don't love. Fairly sure your husband does love you, he's committed but perhaps seeing his former love in rose tinted specs. She also won't be the person he remembers or thinks he loves. Don't focus energy on her, she sounds like she has no part in this, it's all him and you.

The thing I would struggle to move past is the comment about being on his death bed. That speaks volumes about how he really feels and it would need massive thought from me about my future with him. On my death bed i want to be loved and cherised fully by those around me.

OP whatever you decide to do I wish you all the very best. No one can tell you to leave but you do need to consider whether you want to be second best in his heart forever ♥️ I think everyone deserves to be the very best xxx

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 16:15

DojaPhat · 05/08/2023 12:02

It's often said on here that marriage, however you want to dress it up, is in effect a contract. That is to say I can see from a clinical or rather cold perspective how he has fulfilled his 'duty' @Starshiptroopee. Ultimately though, nobody dragged him down the isle so if it helps him sleep better at night to consider his relationship with the OP as him committing to his duty out of a sense of moral and in this case contractual obligation - he has very much done that.

The issue which has arisen is that the OP very much did not approach their relationship from a similar angle. Many marriages from day one have been built on a partnered arrangement of sorts. These marriages work fine so long as both parties are aware and happy with the agreement. This is evidently not the case for the OP, and even if it had been at one point in time, the OP's feelings have since evolved in a way which her husband's did not.

It's all very well and good for posters to say in these circumstances they'd immediately seek divorce (I would too, there's no coming back from this for me), but I think the OP still has quite a lot of reflecting to do with regards to the relationship and really considering some things which she seems unable to unpick at the moment. From your posts @Jensajenning, as much as the delivery might have come as a shock, I suspect he's confirmed something that you've always 'known' or felt deep down inside. Granted in a very brutal manner - that in itself is enough.

Agreed. I have friends who got pregnant from a one night stand and agreed 'we've got nothing in common, but f** it, let's just do this anyway'. They both went in with their eyes open and have no regrets. The brutal honesty happens BEFORE you make a life commitment, nit 15 years later!

7eleven · 05/08/2023 16:17

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 16:15

Agreed. I have friends who got pregnant from a one night stand and agreed 'we've got nothing in common, but f** it, let's just do this anyway'. They both went in with their eyes open and have no regrets. The brutal honesty happens BEFORE you make a life commitment, nit 15 years later!

That’s true.

AuberginesOrEggplants · 05/08/2023 16:22

I expect you are still reeling from last night's revelations,@Jensajenning, and after reading all the many responses you may be more confused than ever. If I were in your shoes I would do 2 things :

Engage a counselor and spend the coming weeks exploring your feelings about your life with your husband and your own needs and priorities.

Secondly, put your practical hat on and evaluate your financial position. If I understand correctly, you are a long-term SAHM while he has built up several businesses. Given his cold and clinical views of the marriage, I would be concerned that he might have structured his financial affairs in a way that could put you at a
disadvantage if you were to split up. He has already done something illegal when he moved to the UK without a visa, so I wouldn’t put it past him that he might be hiding assets.

He sees your marriage as transactional. He has a long-term plan. You should too. Don't let him screw you financially as well as emotionally! 💐

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 16:33

Thebirdhouse · 05/08/2023 11:39

I agree DojoPhat

Agree too. I've had boyfriends that I've had more in common with, had a 'connection' with, but this is the one that actually made me an offer and I think I'm bloody lucky. I would never say anything as arrogant as 'I'm only s

Janieforever · 05/08/2023 16:50

It's often said on here that marriage, however you want to dress it up, is in effect a contract. That is to say I can see from a clinical or rather cold perspective how he has fulfilled his 'duty

I took it he meant he had done his duty in that he married her and provided due to her falling pregnant so early into the relationship/them meeting

Lulooo · 05/08/2023 17:04

I hope you’re okay @Jensajenning
I'm hurting for you. I don’t know why this post seems so gut-wrenchingly painful compared to other stories of betrayal that we read here. Perhaps it says something about me and my own relationship.

I think you’ve got some solid advice on this thread as well as some dismissible posts. I don’t believe you shouldn’t have pushed him for an answer because we all deserve the truth and honesty in our relationships and ignoring it wouldn’t have made the emotions go away.

I do think that you have a decision to make here about whether you’re going to settle for a relationship where you know with certainty that you are and always will be second best and that one day, he will most likely leave you or yearn to leave you at least. Is the family that you’ve built, the comfort that you do have in each other, and the companionship and security you find in each other enough for you?
Or whether you feel that you cannot settle for being number 2 in his heart and that you’d rather live alone than in a marriage with one sided love. Whether you want to risk it in pursuit of independence or a a greater love and appreciation. It’s definitely a risk, but only you can decide whether it’s one that’s worth taking. Lots of people find true love second time round and there’s nothing to say that won’t happen for you.

Everyone’s take will be different based on their own experiences and opinions. Only you can decide your path. Personally, and I know I’d hate myself for it at the time but I think I’d stay. I’d make vast changes in my relationship and wouldn’t be as committed to him. I’m at that stage in life now where even if my husband declared he didn’t ever really love me, I know that I’d loved him and that I’d experienced total love, infatuation and commitment. That would have been enough for me.

I may rethink it if I was actually in that scenario and particularly so if there was another woman who had his heart. That’s the bitterest pill to swallow although I see that different elements of his confession have been harder for you.

I wish you the best though. It’s such a heartbreaking revelation to have to endure and I hope you come out of it in a better situation.

As for your husband, fuck him. I hope someone breaks his heart just as he’s broken yours. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

Herejusttocomment · 05/08/2023 17:04

Matronic6 · 05/08/2023 13:25

OP, this is a load of shite. If you are going to ignore any post on here, ignore this one. Some people are just here to tear others down, don't let it get to you.

Another vote for what @Ishallgototheball wrote being absolute bull💩!!

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 17:10

Starshiptroopee · 05/08/2023 10:21

Let me give you an alternative perspective: in my early 20s, I met a guy that appeared to be head over heels in love with me, not to boast but he really was, I wasn't keen at first but he won me over.
He decided to end it.
I really thought it was meant to be for years.
In retrospect, he was a bit of a lazy so and so (understatement) and moved in with a woman who'd been just a fwb until his parents asked him to leave their home (still at home at 35, with no job) and he moves in with her into her established home.
What a coincidence!
She rightly susses he's used her and dumps him.
For ages I thought he was the love of my life, but where was he, eh, when I needed him? Not around for 20 years playing happy families with a poor woman he was with out of convenience.
She now-rightly-despises him.
I do too - he's tried crawling back to me. He can do one.
Assholes like him make nobody happy.

You know deep down that this is the end for you.
Stupid fecker should have kept his trap shut.

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but I can't work out what an fwb is?

Hawkins009 · 05/08/2023 17:15

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 17:10

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but I can't work out what an fwb is?

A friend with no strings attached for sex as and when your both available

RobertWithRickets · 05/08/2023 17:21

FuckNuggets · 05/08/2023 15:41

Of course I know, I know both his exes one of whom he had a child with. We've been together for a very long time.

It's not what you know it's what you believe.

Most of us believe the person we marry isn't thinking about the one that got away. We believe the the feeling of forever love is mutual. We don't know it though.

Many divorcees think they're married to their one true love and they'll be together forever and ever only to be left fifteen years down the line for Andrea or Bob three doors down.

tuvamoodyson · 05/08/2023 17:27

FuckNuggets · 05/08/2023 00:29

God, settling for stability and companionship. You make romantic relationships sound like a chore. No, we don't all have one that got away. I never let mine get away, I married him.

Me too! No-one ever compared to him…he really is my true love, even after 35 years!

hopelessmum1 · 05/08/2023 17:33

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 17:10

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but I can't work out what an fwb is?

FWB = Friends with benefits

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 17:33

Shouldigoforarunorhavepancakes · 05/08/2023 08:30

Your husband sounds like a wise man: you can’t have it all. If he’s a good partner and father and you knew that you weren’t his first choice I don’t really understand why you asked something that deep down you knew but you weren’t ready to listen.
Before you break your family, think about the people that married their “true love” around you and evaluate if they really have a better life.
Not everyone gets to marry their true love, not everyone is healthy, not everyone can afford a home… life is not fair.

How is he 'wise'? He said if he got sick he would go and be with her and leave his wife. I'm sure she would be so happy to care for him and her own husband would be delighted - NOT. He sounds like a complete fantasist!

coeurnoir · 05/08/2023 17:36

My first husband was, and always will be, my true love. However, we did not work together as a couple and once the kids came along then it was a,ways going to be a matter of time before we imploded.

I'm now married to my second husband. He's a lovely, kind, gentle and loving man. I know I'm the love of his life....but he never will be mine.

The,difference, however, is that I will never tell him.

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 05/08/2023 18:24

Mamette · 04/08/2023 21:16

I kept my promises so now it’s my time to have what I want

This is so cruel and also self-righteous and even resentful of you.

God OP, I couldn’t look at him again after that.

You’ll be ok, but take care of yourself over the next few weeks. You said you’re embarrassed to tell family and friends but maybe you can get some support and a sounding board from those that know you and love you.

Yes, my other thought. The bit about 'doing my duty, now I get what I want' is so self-righteous and arrogant. What he's saying is that he doesn't really want her there in their shared home and family, but he doesn't feel any guilt about that because he's such a bloody marvellous husband and she's so lucky to have him! And she doesn't have any right to complain? Why? because women are just meant to put up and shut up?

OutsideLookingOut · 05/08/2023 18:27

Herejusttocomment · 05/08/2023 17:04

Another vote for what @Ishallgototheball wrote being absolute bull💩!!

Another vote here! Ignore such foolishness.

porridgeisbae · 05/08/2023 18:35

Well that’s the ideal, but many women in mid 30s have choices to make: do they keep holding out for Mr Darcy and risk not having kids, or do they settle for Colin accounts, or the illegal immigrant who wants a visa.

OP clearly thought it was for real, passionate love for both of them, otherwise she wouldn't be upset.

@Jensajenning I agree with @Matronic6 . Ignore any post saying your husband is admirable and you're in the wrong. It was he who made the first hurtful comment of his own accord.

7eleven · 05/08/2023 18:40

I’m not sure anyone is saying the OP doesn’t have the right to complain and feel hurt. Of course she does. I just think some people are thinking it’s not always so black and white. Both parties seemed to get what they wanted out of the marriage? The OP says he’s a good husband and father. 🤷🏻‍♀️

However, by her own admission, the OP pushed him and pushed him and several times he tried to end the conversation. He hasn’t set out to tell her this and I can see how someone might just say what they know the other person is waiting to hear, just to shut them up. I wonder if he doesn’t mean it to the extent he got pushed into saying? Maybe he did.

My husband isn’t robust, mentally, and if I pressed and pressed him in a situation he was clearly trying to stop, I think he could say something he didn’t mean. I know he could actually, because he has.

My fingers are crossed that the OP gets a loving apology in the coming days. I agree with PP who have suggested she uses this time to think about what she wants moving forward. If no loving responses are forthcoming then I would think badly of him.

porridgeisbae · 05/08/2023 18:43

If I was your therapist I'd put your husband 'outside of the room' and focus on why you push him on this issue. Why now?

@Twattergy She was responding to the comment that he made, which he hadn't openly said before.

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