Topless abroad . Yes or no

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Just after everyone's opinions. I'm on an all inclusive holiday . Nothing flash . European destination. Hot sunny . 3*. Would you feel offended if a female sunbathes topless at the pool? Just for context I have done , but put bikini top on to go in pool and her drinks . It's literally just going topless when laying on sunbed . More context age range is babies up to 70+ . Lots of different shapes and weights of people . Lots of bellies make and female and lots of big boobs on men. Like I say this is just for context . Just interested in people's opinions. I'm with my husband on holiday .

And you could also argue that all the posters gagging to get their tits out just want attention from other women's husbands.

But that would be silly. There are many reasons why someone would prefer not to look at a woman's bare breasts in a confined space like a pool which have been discussed in depth, on this thread.

And to be honest, I can see both sides. There's a part of me that thinks it might be nice to be topless. But I'm also not going to kid myself that Europeans/tourists aren't attracted to boobs

This...

Poolside goddess 😂

I just think exposing lots of skin to the sun these days is a bit naff generally. And I speak as someone who did it in the mid 80s but came to my senses.

I also think there is a lot of great sportier looking beachwear these days. That's my preference.
But it's not illegal in most places to go topless so go ahead if you want.

Was he doing Salute to the Moon?

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No. Its extremely counter intuitive to be bare breasted in front of random men. In some situations a few decades ago it did for some reason become more the norm, in very specific settings. Clearly a pool where you would be only one of two (one of one if the other goes back for a siesta) doing so, is not one of those settings.
If you want to be the only bare breasted woman by the pool, fine, but your cheerleaders on here won't be there to think its cool and fine and liberating. The people who will be potentially judging you are the women who are already showing you its not the norm, by keeping their own tops on. So maybe you will be judged. But it's perfectly legal, so its up to you if you care.
As for strapmarks, take them off your shoulders and undo the back strap when lying on your front.

I am a snob about this I am afraid. Basting yourself topless like a piece of meat to avoid tanlines is very Benidorm in the eighties.

Why is it all that matters ? Everybody else at the hotel pool has paid to stay there . Why does it not matter if other people are potentially uncomfortable, kids / teenagers embarrassed? Just go to the beach if you want to get your tits out in the sun. Family pool no and there's a reason OP is asking as it is not the norm at all.

I was on holiday earlier this year and one woman was topless by pool. She stayed topless throughout, in pool, shower and on sunbed chatting, eating her lunch etc. We didn't bat an eyelid but my 8 year old was full of questions and at first a bit worried. They hadn't seen strangers go topless of course and in the learning from home and school about bodies, privacy and consent, was uncertain about why it was happening. A quick explanation solved it all and we got on with our holiday. We are open about talking about our bodies though and I'm aware that not all families are. This woman had people talk about her by the pool as many families muttered it was inappropriate. No one from those families spoke to her directly.
I had a lovely chat with her and her husband which helped my child see it as more normal and "safe" while they unpick the messages about nudity and danger.

@BoneyEmmm you put it less diplomatically than me!

It's blurring the lines though, isn't it? You don't say whether your child is a girl or a boy. If she's a girl, in 5 years time, she will have breasts. Presumably, if a boy or man, asked her to remove her top, she may think back to that holiday and how her parents thought that it was perfectly fine for women to be topless in front of strangers.

I'm not sure it blurs the line. It teaches my child how to measure risk, to make choices that they alone are comfortable with, to be confident in their body and recognise that not every situation is sexual. I didn't say the gender of my child but nor do you know the messages we give them about inclusivity, body confidence, making choices for yourself, not judging others rights to make that choice, recognising different cultures and ways of doing things aren't always "wrong" and how to trust their gut when something is wrong and what to do about it.
I guess I'm saying we live in a world with billions of people who will have different opinions and ways of doing things. To say they are always wrong because they don't align with our point of view is narrow minded. I don't want my child to grow up narrow minded so I allow them to ask questions and accept that sometimes people will do things differently from our family and that's ok.

It teaches my child how to measure risk, to make choices that they alone are comfortable with, to be confident in their body and recognise that not every situation is sexual. I didn't say the gender of my child but nor do you know the messages we give them about inclusivity, body confidence, making choices for yourself, not judging others rights to make that choice, recognising different cultures and ways of doing things aren't always "wrong" and how to trust their gut when something is wrong and what to do about it

My 53 year old self can do this. My 13 year old self would not have stood a chance.

Or : The sexualisation of men's bodies has nothing to do with a man choosing to sunbathe bottomless. It is just a man choosing to sunbathe bottomless.

Fine if you don't mind men ogling you. I thought it was more of a beach thing (back in the 80s) rather than poolside at a hotel though.

Or : what is actually wrong with sunbathing bottomless? Do you struggle not to stare at bare bottomed men? Does your wife? Do you find penises ugly to look at? Or what?

Unless some bottomless man is rubbing his penis on your nose surely every issue with bare penises can be avoided by just not looking?

What’s the difference between taking your bikini top off and your bikini bottoms off?

Are all women prudes or ashamed of the human body if a man was sunbathing naked?

Of course the breasts are sexualised just like the vulva and penis are but a woman or man lying naked would be told to put some clothes on where as a women topless wouldn’t, it doesn’t make sense.

There is absolutely no way I’d let my DD go topless and I’m surprised there are so many women on here that would let their teen or tweens go topless or did it themselves at a young age.

If you want to sunbathe topless then fine but I don’t get the lying that you’re doing it to normalise breasts or because they’re not sexualised when you know they absolutely are.

Neither men nor women should be topless in the scenarios you mention. But why single out women for your misogyny? One rule for men, another for women right.

I like the idea of bare-bottom sunbathing but I bet some of the same people (prudes) who claim they are all for women's bodies wouldn't support that.

Bikini area sunbathing would be nice, too. I think it's a crying shame that we have to cover up an area that shouldn't be sexualised.

Exactly! So much faux naivety.

I sometimes wonder, whether women who are comfy sunbathing with their breast out, aren't very sexual people?

If I am bare breasted, I find it quite arousing. But then I just love my breasts being a huge part of sex.

My sister, otoh, doesn't find her breasts sexual at all, and absolutely hates it if her DH tries to touch them. Him going anywhere near them gives her the ick, so much so, she would bat his hand away and shout at him.

Maybe that's what the difference is?

Why not take your bikini bottoms off? Sunbathe naked? No tan lines 👍

Why sexualise your vulva and and any public hair you may have? They are just part of you and you have no control over what other people think if you expose that area.

Say what? 🤔

What I find quite odd is wanting to get your tits out in a family environment, like at a family hotel pool.

And if its just a body and shouldn't be sexualised then why can't people just go the whole hog and get some sunshine on their anus?