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shaming of mothers with a career?!

263 replies

rubopp · 03/08/2023 08:51

Again today I’ve read a thread where a women is criticised for needing childcare when their child is under one.

AIBU to think if we had threads/comments saying ‘why aren’t you in a decent job to provide well for your dc?’, that they would be deleted?

There’s actually lots of evidence that children do well in life and thrive in higher income homes. No, it’s not everything and overall it probably doesn’t matter… just like it doesn’t matter in the long run if someone decides to stay home with their dc until their dc go to school.

What IS this shaming of mothers who dare to have a career?! Jealously? Narrow mindedness?

I find it mind boggling that people think you can take years out of a career and come back to it… in highly successful roles actually you can’t do that. Though I suspect those people who post such nasty things have no idea if they’ve never achieved that themselves.

There’s lots of benefits to being able to fund all your child’s activities, holidays, books, cultural trips especially as they get older and need house deposits, cars etc so let’s not pretend that the only way to raise a child is to live frugally and don’t dare to make anything of yourself.

Rant over.

OP posts:
SerafinasGoose · 04/08/2023 20:16

Thepeopleversuswork · 04/08/2023 18:19

I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying at all. I don’t have a choice. I’m a lone parent so there’s no one else who can support her.

What would you say to parents like me? How do I “prioritise my child”? Given that someone needs to put food on the table.

I’m genuinely interested to hear what I ought to do.

You are prioritizing your child.

To hell with what anyone else thinks Flowers

Spacecowboys · 04/08/2023 20:18

Jellyx · 04/08/2023 20:07

@Spacecowboys

Of course.

Ideally parents wouldn't split up. But plenty of parents split and share custody and the father is involved still (financially and emotionally). You can be a good father and be seperately from the mother - I wouldn't define this kind of situation as someone being a single parent.

People do change though. Someone who has been ‘solid’ and in a relationship for many years can up and leave, maybe have their head turned by someone else and become a person that their ex doesn’t even recognise. That isn’t down to the now single parents poor choices. It isn’t on them at all actually.

SerafinasGoose · 04/08/2023 20:18

Jellyx · 04/08/2023 19:51

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

Of course I don't know all the choices.

But I don't think all fathers have been rapists or are dead. Thus, of course some women have chosen to sleep with shit men who for whatever reason (by their choice or mothers choice) are not involved in the child's life.

Women should be encouraged to choose good fathers for their children and be careful who the sleep with. And men should also take that responsibility.

First rule of misogyny: 'Women are responsible for what men do'.

Jellyx · 04/08/2023 20:19

@Spacecowboys

Yes , of course that's a real possibility.
It's also a very real possibility women choose lower fathers.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/08/2023 20:21

SerafinasGoose · 04/08/2023 20:18

First rule of misogyny: 'Women are responsible for what men do'.

So true!!

Jellyx · 04/08/2023 20:21

@SerafinasGoose
I'm literally saying women have a choice in their sexual partner and thus choice in who fathers their children (excepting SA of course).

How is that anti-women?
Pro women is telling them to be careful who they have sex with as it's possible they'll get pregnant and that will be the child's father.

Encouraging responsibility of women is exactly the opposite of men being in control...

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 04/08/2023 20:24

Tbh a woman's place is always in the wrong. Society and thus various governments, professionals/scientists, media etc like to play us against each other. Hence all the various studies, statistics , blaming, shaming and bun fights.

When it comes down to it, women are expected to work like they don't have kids and parent like they don't work. So we'll always fall short in some way.

Jellyx · 04/08/2023 20:26

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 04/08/2023 20:24

Tbh a woman's place is always in the wrong. Society and thus various governments, professionals/scientists, media etc like to play us against each other. Hence all the various studies, statistics , blaming, shaming and bun fights.

When it comes down to it, women are expected to work like they don't have kids and parent like they don't work. So we'll always fall short in some way.

I've honestly never felt this way. Perhaps it's rare for men to value women as mothers and/or for working.
I'm very fortunate to have good men (father, partner , brothers , colleagues,bosses) on my life.

Red0 · 04/08/2023 20:48

I’ve not read the entire thread, but want to point out that I was regularly “shamed” for being a SAHM - like to my face on a very regular basis by multiple people - very “what do you actually do all day?”, “don’t you feel that you’re not a good role model to your daughter” and all about how of course I can do XYZ because I don’t work and generally very much looking down on me. I have to say I haven’t felt “shamed” at all since I’ve been back at work.

Jellyx · 04/08/2023 21:01

Red0 · 04/08/2023 20:48

I’ve not read the entire thread, but want to point out that I was regularly “shamed” for being a SAHM - like to my face on a very regular basis by multiple people - very “what do you actually do all day?”, “don’t you feel that you’re not a good role model to your daughter” and all about how of course I can do XYZ because I don’t work and generally very much looking down on me. I have to say I haven’t felt “shamed” at all since I’ve been back at work.

That's so sad to hear. I wish SAHP were much more valued. What's more important that being a parent you know

Exchange230316 · 04/08/2023 23:37

Same old thread, don't people get bored discussing the same things on here!

Coffeaddict · 05/08/2023 08:17

Exchange230316 · 04/08/2023 23:37

Same old thread, don't people get bored discussing the same things on here!

Surely if you don't want to discuss it you don't.

I can't understand people who click on a thread, read it then say this thread is pointless. Why engage?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/08/2023 08:23

Coffeaddict · 05/08/2023 08:17

Surely if you don't want to discuss it you don't.

I can't understand people who click on a thread, read it then say this thread is pointless. Why engage?

I agree!

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