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I'm fucking livid. Am I allowed to be livid? Because I am.

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Fuckingfumin · 30/07/2023 19:30

Did I mentioned that im livid?

Both DH and I work full time.
he works Saturdays.

we have children, one of whom has additional needs and is an awful violent, abusive individual.
We are getting support from psychiatrists and we have a key worker. You may link this to my previous threads.

Its my FIL's 80th, we were all supposed to go to theirs 1.5 hours away for a surprise lunch.

Only DH went because we didn't want a violent outburst our 12 year old and for him to call us all cunts and possibly throw a chair at us, like he does.

So DH decided he would go alone.

He was planning on leaving at 11am.

He didn't bother hauling his arse out of bed until 9.30am.

Tonigbt I'm putting the smallest to bed, he's asleep and 12 year old calls me in tears asking me to collect him as his bully has just punched him repeatedly in the head.

I call DH thinking it's 7pm so he must be round the corner as it's quite late.

no, he's just left.

So I have to wake up and drag out a crying pre-schooler to rescue the other one Who is now throwing things round his room in a rage as per.

Im absolutely livid that DH has just left.

Why the fuck did he need to stay until 7pm? When he knows full fucking well what it's like here.

You go for a birthday lunch, you leave by 5, 6 latest surely??

OP posts:
Twyford · 30/07/2023 20:25

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This child almost certainly lashes out when he is overwhelmed and unable to cope. It is not a case of him hurting others deliberately and deserving some sort of retribution.

thirdistheonewiththehairychest · 30/07/2023 20:26

Fuckingfumin · 30/07/2023 19:40

The 12 year old is at home.

I dragged the little one out to collect him, which I had said in my OP.

I also said in my OP he was now throwing things round his room in rage.

I don't understand why people are asking where he is?

Because your OP is confusing.

meercat23 · 30/07/2023 20:26

@Fuckingfumin I am long past having young children at home and when I did I never had to cope with what you are coping with. I hope you feel that you have had some support on here but you have very definitely had to read some unpleasant and I would even say some spiteful responses.

I do know how hard it is to get the help you need and you have done a great job in getting at least some of that help in place.

I can understand how, just one day too many, especially when coping on your own, is just too much and to need a safe space to scream into.

I hope tomorrow is a calmer day and that you get some space to recover.

GrinAndVomit · 30/07/2023 20:26

WunWun · 30/07/2023 20:25

But how the fuck do you imagine she can either stop him or supervise him whilst she has the four year old? What are you purposely not understanding? It's just so unbelievably stupid for you to agree with

Could she phone the police?

Babyroobs · 30/07/2023 20:26

Fuckingfumin · 30/07/2023 19:59

I do, I'm feeling like an absolutely crap individual who caused my home life to be as shit as it is by reading these replies.

So I really appreciate your kind and empathetic response. I needed to hear that, thank you.

Maybe you should just leave the thread if it's making you upset.
Is there anyway one of you can reduce working hours to make things less stressful. It is stressful in any family for both adults to be working full time including a weekend day when you could be both having a bit of a break if you both had the 2 days off.
Do you claim DLA for your 12 year old - would that extra money enable one of you to drop hours a little to give you both some breathing space?

Caprisunny · 30/07/2023 20:26

WunWun · 30/07/2023 20:25

But how the fuck do you imagine she can either stop him or supervise him whilst she has the four year old? What are you purposely not understanding? It's just so unbelievably stupid for you to agree with

If that was the case why didn’t the Op call her husband and tell him he needed to come home because the son had gone awol?

IhearyouClemFandango · 30/07/2023 20:26

It sounds thoroughly shit OP, I'm sorry. I don't think leaving late was necessarily unreasonable, but he should have gotten up earlier and joined in, to take the load from you before he then had the day to himself.

Begonne · 30/07/2023 20:26

Of course your dh should have been up with the younger ones this morning to give you a bit of a lie in. I really don’t understand why he didn’t bring the four year old too, if it takes two to protect him.

In different situations, no one would bat an eyelid at him enjoying his df’s birthday but your family is in crisis. You’ve already held the fort for one day of the weekend, and in the circumstances he is massively taking the piss.

It is not wise to push the only other adult caregiver to the point of breakdown. I’d be furious tbh. And I’ve been furious for less, and thankfully dh has learned to think.

I think pps have valid concerns about the wisdom of letting a 12 year old with sn out unsupervised - for his sake as well as others. But I’d also love to hear their solutions for keeping him in. I don’t envy you op. It’s a lot.

WunWun · 30/07/2023 20:27

GrinAndVomit · 30/07/2023 20:26

Could she phone the police?

How would that help?

Fuckingfumin · 30/07/2023 20:27

GrinAndVomit · 30/07/2023 20:17

Sorry OP. You can’t simultaneously be angry at your husband for leaving you with a child who is so violent it takes two parents and a police presence to control him in order to protect your own children, but are happy for him to be completely unsupervised with other children in public places.

So I tell DH not to go?

What should I have done? I can't stop him going?

Just because I would never have left them all alone, doesn't mean DH wouldn't.

Clearly he would. He did.

So yes, I can absolutely be angry at leaving us for too long, when I never would have left them at all.

OP posts:
Callyem · 30/07/2023 20:27

I feel for you - the situation sounds unbearable but I do think your anger towards your DP is misdirected - an 80th birthday is enormous and as others have said, at that age you don't know how many more there would be.

Your family desperately needs support and I hope you get it soon x

Coulditreallybe · 30/07/2023 20:27

GrinAndVomit · 30/07/2023 20:25

But it does sound like it’s a one off and a very rare occurrence that’s she’s left alone with the children.
They both need breaks.

What gave you that impression?

BlastedIce · 30/07/2023 20:28

thirdistheonewiththehairychest · 30/07/2023 20:26

Because your OP is confusing.

Because OP is under extreme pressure!

WinterDeWinter · 30/07/2023 20:28

GrinAndVomit · 30/07/2023 20:25

But it does sound like it’s a one off and a very rare occurrence that’s she’s left alone with the children.
They both need breaks.

OP said he habitually responds with a curt 'I don't know' when she asks when he'll be back. Not only refusing to do his bit but also I imagine trying to imply that all this is somehow caused by her. He is not behaving like a good husband or good father.

SprinkleRainbow · 30/07/2023 20:28

OP yes you have every right to be livid. Livid at your DP for not communicating with you knowing you were in the trenches today, and for not having a check point through the day to see if you needed him home earlier.

You have to have 100% open lines when your handling a ND pre-teen with aggressive meltdowns, plus additional children at home.

Your DP should be making better plans, he could of left earlier this morning to be back earlier (are the meltdowns more likely to happen later in the day?)
Your 12 year old brings the unknown each day, your DP shouldn't be adding to that.

Your DP does have every right to see his DF on his birthday especially a big one, but he needs to plan, organise and be on top of his communication with you on these occasions. Have you got anyone you can have as back up? Someone who can watch the younger children whilst you support the 12 year old?

I'm glad you are finally getting some support for your 12 year old, and in turn I hope this helps support you and the rest of your family.

ThereIbledit · 30/07/2023 20:28

Op I feel you need to delete this thread. People who don't have SEN children don't understand.

Nah, just people who are arseholes.

I do think you should proabably walk away from the thread for your own sanity OP. I'm so sorry that Mumsnetters have piled on, and I am crossing everything for you that the help you desperately need for him is finally coming very soon.

WunWun · 30/07/2023 20:28

Caprisunny · 30/07/2023 20:26

If that was the case why didn’t the Op call her husband and tell him he needed to come home because the son had gone awol?

Presumably because she was hoping he'd hang out with his friends and not be punched in the head?

GrinAndVomit · 30/07/2023 20:28

WunWun · 30/07/2023 20:27

How would that help?

To bring the 12 year old, who doesn’t have permission to be out and is incredibly violent, home.

Fuckingfumin · 30/07/2023 20:29

Babyroobs · 30/07/2023 20:26

Maybe you should just leave the thread if it's making you upset.
Is there anyway one of you can reduce working hours to make things less stressful. It is stressful in any family for both adults to be working full time including a weekend day when you could be both having a bit of a break if you both had the 2 days off.
Do you claim DLA for your 12 year old - would that extra money enable one of you to drop hours a little to give you both some breathing space?

Yes we do get DLA.

I have asked DH to leave his job, I earn 3 times as much as him, I cannot leave my job.

OP posts:
RedHelenB · 30/07/2023 20:29

Fuckingfumin · 30/07/2023 19:43

Ordinarily? Absolutely!

With a normal family who's child doesn't launch phones and items at parental heads? Of course!
when there isn't a terrified 4 year old who is woken from his sleep and dragged outside crying? Of course!

but we are not currently a normal, stable or even safe family.

Why didn't you tell violent ds to make his own way home?

HungoverBeforeDrunk · 30/07/2023 20:29

What's your job OP?

Yahyahs22 · 30/07/2023 20:30

ThereIbledit · 30/07/2023 20:28

Op I feel you need to delete this thread. People who don't have SEN children don't understand.

Nah, just people who are arseholes.

I do think you should proabably walk away from the thread for your own sanity OP. I'm so sorry that Mumsnetters have piled on, and I am crossing everything for you that the help you desperately need for him is finally coming very soon.

I thought the same thing. I don't have a SEN child and I don't need to in order to understand that this mother is going through extremely tough times.

Acourtof · 30/07/2023 20:30

drpet49 · 30/07/2023 20:16

@Acourtof why? Who is safeguarding the 4 year old? Or do they not matter.

It sounds like the 12 year old needs additional care to what’s provided at home. It must be terrifying for the little one.

thegreylady · 30/07/2023 20:30

Some of the criticism of this mother is shameful. Very few of us have experienced a situation like hers. And while she is waiting at home, desperate for help while her husband is out, she understandably becomes furious with the situation. What she needs isn’t criticism it is understanding and awareness that some people live in a shit storm with no easy fix.

Nanny0gg · 30/07/2023 20:30

mrsbyers · 30/07/2023 20:08

His family live an hour and a half away so presumably he doesn’t get a lot of opportunities to see them if he works Saturdays ? I think six hours including time for meal is really reasonable - you chose not to go and take kids so you should have had a conversation with him to agree he was back by bath time

Chose not to go???

WTF is wrong with some people on this thread??

She was supposed to go with the children even though she knew categorically her eldest wouldn't cope and would absolutely ruin the day for his grandfather?

Really? She should have done that?