I voted for Brexit ‘I voted for Brexit and was told it wouldn’t affect expats – now I can’t live in my £13,000 Italian house’

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Struggling to work up any sympathy…

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/brexit-voted-wouldnt-affect-expats-cant-live-italian-house-2508493?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=paulchown%2Fmagazine%2FBrexit+Reality+

Yes, I can't wait to hear these "valid" reasons either.

'You would need a heart of stone not to laugh . . .' If they can't read they should get some help before they're confounded by something else that is obvious to most.

One thing that always strikes me about stories like this, is that the Leave voting moron at the heart of the story always seem to blame the other country for the problem. It this case its 'Italian bureaucracy putting them through hell'.

All you can do is remind them (and the words "fucking stupid idiots" may be used as punctuation) that these other countries are sovereign nations and may act as they wish. And double so when it comes to a no mark, third country like the UK.

It may have been team brexits wet dream to split the EU by becoming a third country and having the freedom to do 27 separate deals. However that only lasts if the EU don't change the rules. Which, of course, as a collection of sovereign nations, they are free to do.

I note with interest the matter of visas "hasn't entered into" the trade deal the UK has signed with interest. Which suggests unlimited as I thought.

Holy shit, that's next level cray cray relatives.

Yes, the day after the vote, my friend caught the bus with her 2 young white blond kids. An older man started talking to one of the kids saying something along the lines of ‘we did this for you, glad the foreigners are leaving’. My friend who’s Kiwi, and is an ant-racist, tore the man a new arsehole for saying such things to her primary aged child.

Many of these disgusting people were under the mistaken impression that all other white English people (or people they think are English) are hard of thinking racists like themselves. A lot of people revealed themselves and many of us will not forget.

This. It will always be foreigners fault.

The ex-terrorists I know voted for Brexit to destabilise the UK. They're delighted at how it's going.

Where did I say their reasons would stand up to scrutiny?? They won't. I was just making a point about how the vote encouraged racism.

Endless good on your friend. Disgusting behaviour.

"They could do, if they went through the necessary processes, and took out health insurance. Look, people were lied to, were deceived. It's a bit graceless to gloat so."
Erm, where to start. They are MOANING about something they voted for, which everyone rational TOLD them about, and they have the brass neck to blame the Italian consulate for daring to have their own rules about who can enter their country (which, lest we forgot, is what these halfwits say is one of the main reasons they wanted Brexit). They didn't listen to intelligent people, they didn't do any research, they deserve this and FAR FAR more and I will laugh at idiots like this until the end of my days. Listen to adults, behave like adults, and these things won't happen. This is what happens when you think and behave like an insular, selfish, parochial DICK.

Yep. They put it down to ‘Italian bureaucracy’ in that snippet, but countries are perfectly entitled to set the criteria for which non-citizens they want. Well, turns out Italy has decided it only wants wealthy pensioners from other countries. The income rule is going to prevent a huge number from being able to even contemplate living there in retirement, even those who have a good amount stashed away.

That control is precisely what Brexiters felt we didn’t have enough of, after all, so it comes across a little, arrogant that he didn’t consider that it might work the other way around too. Not to mention unbearably arrogant that he was so sure he didn’t even check his eligibility. Reminds me of ‘they need us more than we need them’; another Brexit untruth!

They put it down to ‘Italian bureaucracy’ in that snippet, but countries are perfectly entitled to set the criteria for which non-citizens they want.

It's a bit more nuanced (and so much worse than that) though.

EU countries are not entitled to set conditions on citizens of other EU countries. That why when David "cunt" Cameron wanted to stop benefits for EU nationals in the UK, the only way to do it was to ensure the same benefits were not available to UK nationals. Luckily he had zero problem with shitting on UK citizens, because that is the Tory parties mission statement.

So to revise the story - Italy could not impose any conditions on UK citizens as members of the EU. However the moment we decided we wanted out of the club, those rules fell away and the UK because a third country. That is a country that is neither a member of the EU nor covered by a single overarching treaty. And it's that way because at every single possible turn, when the EU bent over backwards to engage with the UK, we told them quite unequivocally to go fuck themselves, their fathers were hamsters and their mothers smelled of elderberries. And still we went back to be taunted a second time.

You said many had "reasons other than racism".

Reasons are only valid - i.e. qualify to be defined as such - if they are sound, logical, rational. If they don't stand up to scrutiny, they are not reasons. Rather delusions, unfounded opinions, misconceptions, prejudices, etc.

reason

noun
1 a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event."she asked him to return, but didn't give a reason"
the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically.

That why when David "cunt" Cameron wanted to stop benefits for EU nationals in the UK, the only way to do it was to ensure the same benefits were not available to UK nationals.

That's not entirely true, either. He could just have redesigned the UK system to make benefits contributory like in most other EU countries. He could also have got the NHS to charge back any costs incurred by EU citizens to their own country, just like others did. We had a large amount of control, including limiting numbers of EU immigrants to the UK per year if he wished to. He chose not to use these options and blame the EU!

The "cunt" part is accurate, though.

My SIL voted leave saying it was to help farmers so they don’t have to follow EU regulations. I muttered something about subsidies and left it at that.

Not everyone who voted leave is racist, but all racists voted leave.

As did pretty much all stupid people!

With the wife of the man who featured in the article being one of the few exceptions apparently: despite voting remain she is stupid enough to be married to him. 🤣 Maybe she'll have a rethink now after him not only behaving so stupidly but publicising it to the world as though we should all share his outrage at his wishes coming true.

Brexit itself aside, I couldn’t be with such an ignorant thicko who can’t engage his brain. Such a turn off 😂

How she isn’t saying ‘well whose fault is that?’, every time he complains?

Brexit has damaged the UK. The people who led the campaign had done huge damage to the country. It’s as if they were working for a foreign government. I think they, the ring leaders, should be held to account. Frankly they should be tried in court for Treason.
They were all double dealing, double crossers.

Oh yes, I wonder if @BrandySours and @yellowspanner are still here and think it's going well.

Putin et al were delighted of course, but the main motive was money. As always, follow the money. Very rich people funded the campaign because they did not want the European Directive implemented which would require all EU members to disclose the beneficial owners of trusts in UK tax havens. If it had become apparent to taxpayers just how much untaxed offshore wealth is being held and by whom then they knew the current tax arrangements would not be sustainable, especially after a decade of austerity.

And this Directive had a deadline for implementation of... 1 January 2019. Guess why we had to rush Brexit through without a proper plan? And why such a hard Brexit? Because single market members also have to implement Directives...

Of course the UK claims it has already implemented similar rules. 🤣🤣 All smoke and mirrors, all about money. It always is. There was only ever one group of people who would benefit from Brexit, and it's no surprise that they were the ones funding Vote Leave etc.

Then you have politicians like JRM whose father published an actual book on how to become rich from disaster capitalism titled "Blood in the streets".

The biggest irony was them convincing the uneducated and generally poorest people that this was all going to benefit them.

Labour supported Brexit too!!!

Brexit happened because of Tory insecurity, incompetence and arrogance. Racists, thickos and people who hate the UK voted for it.