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Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2023 19:42

HaveToHideAsAnon · 03/08/2023 18:31

I see it as implementing brexit, you see it as rebuilding. I guess it doesn't matter what you call it, as long as we r all focussed on making it work and building a more prosperous, inclusive Britain that contributes to global growth and prosperity

I'm sorry but you need to re read your last couple of posts...

So we vote to leave the EU, damaging relations, taking us of collaborative projects, FOM... all your own words... but then spend an age rebuilding these to get what we once had?

How about the UK steered the EU in a direction that led to your stated goals of global growth and prosperity for all? (inequality here is a UK problem that only we can fix)

So what exactly was the "gain" ?

Seems to me, to quote my Gran "we've robbed Peter to pay Paul" or another "thrown the baby out with the bath water"

(i like my Grans quotes, she voted remain in 75, having seen first hand war in Europe)

SerendipityJane · 03/08/2023 19:44

i like my Grans quotes, she voted remain in 75, having seen first hand war in Europe

Brexiteers didn't grow up after the war just to have the people that won it tell them what to think about it.

DuesToTheDirt · 07/08/2023 20:55

@DuncinToffee these half-wits, they walk among us!

Alexandra2001 · 07/08/2023 21:11

If only Brexit had just ruined a few relocation or retirement plans.

Firstanold · 26/10/2024 08:47

"I voted for something that was explicitly going to hurt people but now that it's hurting ME it's bad!"

Conservative is just another word for selfish.

wellicantseethem · 26/10/2024 08:56

Good

KimberleyClark · 26/10/2024 08:57

I know someone like that. Had a house in Spain he was planning to retire to. Voted Brexit.

superplumb · 26/10/2024 09:01

superplumb · 28/07/2023 19:17

The worrying thing is I've argued with those who voted brexshit and they said they'd vote the same way again! Mind boggles

Yep I've met one of those too

PriamFarrl · 26/10/2024 09:14

superplumb · 26/10/2024 09:01

Yep I've met one of those too

Umm. I don’t know how to tell you this, but you just replied to yourself.

GCAcademic · 26/10/2024 09:24

PriamFarrl · 26/10/2024 09:14

Umm. I don’t know how to tell you this, but you just replied to yourself.

Lol. That's one of the joys of a zombie thread. I've come close to doing the same myself when someone has (annoyingly) resurrected an old thread.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/10/2024 09:25

SerendipityJane · 30/07/2023 18:20

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 18:14
Anyway, where are all the Leave voters whinging 'we're not racist, we're not thick' despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Maybe someone hid the caps lock ?

🤣

Some are also presumably in prison after the horrible, racist summer riots.

DuncinToffee · 26/10/2024 10:05

One of them has just returned from his 90 day Spanish villa stay....

But then he has an Irish passport so that rule doesn't apply to him.

SuperNewMe · 26/10/2024 10:10

PriamFarrl · 26/10/2024 09:14

Umm. I don’t know how to tell you this, but you just replied to yourself.

🤣
Brilliant 😁
Reminds me of the poster years ago who replied to herself over a pushchair lol

newnamethanks · 26/10/2024 10:12

Well. It would be rude to not laugh.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/10/2024 10:13

newnamethanks · Today 10:12

Well. It would be rude to not laugh

Indeed

khw666 · 26/10/2024 10:14

Firstanold · 26/10/2024 08:47

"I voted for something that was explicitly going to hurt people but now that it's hurting ME it's bad!"

Conservative is just another word for selfish.

What happened?

Tulips543 · 26/10/2024 12:01

OhNoOhNo · 28/07/2023 19:11

Ah sorry, I didn’t realise iNews had gone behind a paywall!

No paywall on my phone

Boomer55 · 26/10/2024 12:05

Moral of story: Be careful what you wish and vote for. 🤷‍♀️

montelbano · 26/10/2024 12:24

I am astonished by the arrogance and smugness on this thread, not to mention some very nasty namecalling.
P.S. I voted to stay.

PollsCantBeTrusted · 26/10/2024 12:29

Since this thread was started, MN changed it so you can't name change to reply to yourself on the thread. Looks like PP fell foul of this.

Used to happen lots in the Brexit board which has quietened down now no name changes allowed.

Last time I looked, there was only a handful but dominated by a man who lives in France and well, to be honest, sounds unwell. A woman who parrots Brexshit and posts childish memes and someone who counteracts the arguments. They call her a bot, an AI bot, a Russian, a shill.

SerendipityJane · 27/10/2024 09:49

PollsCantBeTrusted · 26/10/2024 12:29

Since this thread was started, MN changed it so you can't name change to reply to yourself on the thread. Looks like PP fell foul of this.

Used to happen lots in the Brexit board which has quietened down now no name changes allowed.

Last time I looked, there was only a handful but dominated by a man who lives in France and well, to be honest, sounds unwell. A woman who parrots Brexshit and posts childish memes and someone who counteracts the arguments. They call her a bot, an AI bot, a Russian, a shill.

I believe the term "sock puppet" is appropriate here ....

Shoesonthefloor · 27/10/2024 10:48

SerendipityJane · 27/10/2024 09:49

I believe the term "sock puppet" is appropriate here ....

Except she was benignly agreeing with herself so it's fine surely?

BritinEU · 27/10/2024 11:59

As a Brit living abroad in the EU, I strongly opposed Brexit. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. All EU citizens in the UK and Brits in the EU had to be transferred (often by application) to a new residence status. This process was leaky and many people lost residence.

A few years later, the dust has settled.

While I was a strong Remainer, I'm not sure I'm a Rejoiner, not only for the obvious reason of the UK not being likely to regain its privileged deals should it rejoin.

The macro-economic damage from Brexit is far less than I feared. One has to play games with statistics and employ assumption-heavy counterfactual models to see big effects. Countries adapt to new realities.

The EU is in an economic and social mess (much like the UK). Its energy policy predictably imploded and the engine of European economic growth (Germany) is in a worse state than I've ever seen. I lived in Germany during the 1990's, speak (my own version of) German. I love the country and the people. It gives me no schadenfreude to point out its present weakness. When it comes to immigration/social policies, the EU electorates are choosing leaders who would make Farage blush. The EU is not in a good place right now.

As an economic bloc, the EU has shrunk relative to the rest of the world. One can always play games with stats to try and show that all is still ok but this is tiresome. The Commission accepts that the situation is dire, as confirmed by Draghi report.

The only conceivable large-scale practical benefit of Brexit is the ability to make better regulation (regulation is the main work of the EU), especially as we're likely entering something approaching a new AI-driven industral revolution. The old saying that "the US innovates, China replicates and the EU regulates" is a little unkind but there is some truth in it. The EU is not producing Amazons or Googles. This is a (big) problem.

Regulation was the main cause of the wrangling between the UK and the EU when they negotiated the trade deal that followed the Withdrawal Agreement. The EU wanted the UK to follow its regulations/law and court judgements on a massive scale. This was a very unusual demand for a trade agreement. The EU was well aware that regulation is a potential Brexit win. The UK resisted and got a bog standard free trade agreement, which is it all it wanted in the first place. This is probably wise.

The only thing I much cared about when it came to the EU was Free Movement. It's unfortunate that Free Movement was a driver for the Brexit vote. However, you don't need a political union to have the freedom to move between states. We have free movement with Ireland. The EU has free movement with non-EU states (Norway, Iceland etc. ). Deals can be struck.

I'd become a strong rejoiner if the EU started to demonstrably solve its problems while the UK goes further south. Otherwise, I'd be happy with some form of free movement. This doesn't require a federal or confederal state.

khw666 · 28/10/2024 06:40

Great post @BritinEU appreciate the honesty about the current state of the EU especially their powerhouse Germany, whose economy is woeful.

There's not much appetite for Brits living in the UK to rejoin the political bloc. If it could return to the original trading block, interest will reignite, but doubt it will happen yet.

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