I voted for Brexit ‘I voted for Brexit and was told it wouldn’t affect expats – now I can’t live in my £13,000 Italian house’

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Struggling to work up any sympathy…

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/brexit-voted-wouldnt-affect-expats-cant-live-italian-house-2508493?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=paulchown%2Fmagazine%2FBrexit+Reality+

Go on then; do you think ‘because I put my trust in the British people’ is a logical reason to come out of the EU? It doesn’t even address the question of whether membership of the EU is a good thing or not. It’s a non sequitur.

I don’t think I’m god, no. I’m not even saying that I’m right to have voted the way I did. But I would say that informed opinions based on logic are worth more than uninformed, illogical opinions. Wouldn’t you?

I can believe there is nothing that they can say that would make you happy. And maybe they've figured that out and think why bother with the effort. So perhaps not so stupid after all.

I don't have an issue with people going on about how shit they think Brexit is - it's their right. They can go for it, and frequently appear to do so. It doesn't feel to me like it's a productive path though. And I think more people are realising that with time.

They are not reasons you haven't hear before from others. Mainly based on democratic principal. People have said they haven't heard any sensible reasons presented as yet, therefore my reasons will not be considered sensible/moral/good enough to satisfy you/worthy/allowable/acceptable. I have posted my reasons previously several times on Mumsnet and was met with worse hostility than I have recieved here.

It doesn't matter why I voted leave. Whatever I say the outcome will be the same "how ridiculous, can't believe you even have the right to vote. How ignorant and stupid are you? You are such an idiot...."

My point for posting on this thread was it to justify my reasons for voting brexit or tell you how great brexit is. It was to say that I think it's unfair how badly judged and insulted leave voters are. I think its wrong to judge people because they voted differently to you. I think its wrong to insult people for how they voted. A free vote is central to the democratic process. Stop people having a free vote and life will be far far worse than what you r seeing at the moment.

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Yes I do. Everyone has the right to vote for whatever reason they want. My grandfather used to vote for screaming lord such at general elections because "it was funny". That's his right. My MIL votes conservative EVERY time, because she says "I always have".

You can't control other people and how and why they vote for what they do. In one general election I spent ageeeees trying to decide who to vote for. I read all the manifestos, researched tactical voting in the area, came up with lists of reasons. I settled on voting labour. As I stood by the ballot box I just suddenly voted lib dem. I still don't know why I made the switch. Sorry if that was not to your liking or your standards. But that's how people vote sometimes. Sometimes people don't even know why they vote as they do.

If every single voter read every research paper, every economic discourse, every policy document and weighed up all the socio economic consequences of their actions before they voted, would that be preferable to you? Is that realistic?Would that actually reflect the diverse make up of the society we live in? No. We are complex, we don't always do things logically and perfectly. But it doesn't matter. We have a right to vote and we have a right to vote however we like, for whatever reasons we like, and that is a right we need to hold.on to.

so show us the Brexit benefits if you think people should stop saying how shit Brexit is.

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It's a free country - shout away.
I'm sure Brexit voters will read what your angry posts, realise the error of their ways, and resolve to vote in such a way as to please you in future.

because I put my trust in the British people’ is a logical reason to come out of the EU?

sorry, I said 'yes' meaning 'yes I do think it's valid'. It's not logical, but it is a valid reason and just as worthy as any of your reasons.

One can vote for whoever they like in a GE because "mistakes" can be rectified, not so with the EU referendum.

That's a one off, no one is allowed to change their mind and vote differently.

Hardly democratic.

I don't know why you didn't just post 'I won, you lost, get over it' and namechanged again

I think that's exactly what lies behind his/her posts, its all BS about changing minds or insults etc.

You d not post at all if you were that sensitive to criticism or challenge as i like to put it!

Everyone has the right to vote for whatever reason they want.

And I’ve never suggested otherwise.

Opinions, ideas, philosophies - all up for criticism. Up for being ridiculed and mocked even.

But you are confusing this with me saying I think certain votes should be forbidden and your whole post builds on that misunderstanding. You are arguing against a point I haven’t made and wouldn’t make.

I don’t think all opinions are of equal worth. That is not the same as thinking votes should be controlled.

Is it too difficult for you to understand that voting in elections is different from voting in a referendum?

To call making a major decision on the basis of a referendum as being 'hardly democratic' suggests you don't really understand democracy. If the result had been Remain would you really have making your 'not-democratic' argument ? Or do you just not like the result ?

You post also suggests that you don't know history. Nothing stops the House of Commons taking us back in, which is how we joined the EEC in the first place. There was a referendum a few years later to decide whether or not we stay in.

The UK certainly may have buyers' remorse. However, I've seen no evidence that there is any widespread appetite to open a discussion about joining.

When it comes to polling, Brexit is sitting at close to the same level of importance that it held in 2011.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/education/trackers/the-most-important-issues-facing-the-country

Of course, the polls could be wrong and there is a huge appetite for a few years of constitutional mayhem and re-entry with a deal worse than the one we had which also involves losing the pound. However, I'm sceptical that this is the case.

“They are not reasons you haven't hear before from others. Mainly based on democratic principal.”

Trying very hard to understand this.

Democratic principle is upheld if you simply cast a vote, regardless of what or who you vote for.

So democratic principle isn’t a reason to vote to leave the EU, it’s just a reason to vote.

People have a right to judge people who vote to ruin an entire country’s future because they don’t like foreigners living here and ‘takin’ ‘are’ jobs’ 🤣🤣 or some of the usual ignorant spiel.

Now you’ve got people like him in OP’s article moaning about the consequences impacting him. So he’s so arrogant and entitled enough that he thinks he can emigrate to an EU country but doesn’t like others doing the same. You couldn’t make it up. Why would someone make such a massive decision without considering the consequences? That’s what I struggle to understand.

What makes it worse is Brits wanting to retire in other countries and not work and help the economy like the EU immigrants were, yet that’s fine!

Someone went on holiday to Greece last year, then moaned there were too many tourists there. 😂😂😂 Surprise, surprise, he was also a knuckle dragging, arrogant Brexiteer.

Why would you want to engage with someone if you didn't think there was any possibility they might add anything interesting to the discussion or try to take an alternate viewpoint ?

I don't think there is any "right" or "wrong" answer to the question of whether the UK was correct in leaving the EU. It's a complex question and peoples motivations reflect that.

To me people who have the most interesting things to say or illuminating points are accepting of these sorts of arguments along with the other views for example that both the remain and leave campaigns propagated some untruths - for want of a better word.

It's pretty easy to tell whether someones mind is open to genuine discussion on the issues or just believes dogmatically in their own self righteousness and wants to try to fuel that by attempting to belittle other people.

The internet is a pretty big place - you can waste a lot of time on stuff that is, for want of a better word ... uninteresting and unrewarding.

Is it too difficult for you to understand that the whole point of a secret vote is that it's absolutely none of your business how anybody else chooses to place their vote.

We have secret votes for a reason.

It's not much of a secret vote if your first post states you voted leave and would do so again

Secret vote = none of your business.
Interrogating someone about their vote is certainly not respecting the principle of a secret vote.

The way back to the EU is a long one and involves a lot of work to shift opinion to a real rejoin position (i.e. accepting our special deal is gone, the pound is under threat and we'll go back into a more federal Europe).

With every post like yours attacking people whose vote you need, it gets a little longer.

Another lofty-sounding statement that is actually in response to nothing. Nobody has said that voters should be compelled to reveal their decisions or reasoning.

@HaveToHideAsAnon

Agree with you on democratic vote absolutely.

If you want to keep your vote a secret than don't post or talk about it.

I'm afraid the behaviour on this thread shows very much that some people think others should be accounting for their votes.

Lofty sounding ? Just a restatement of a basic principle of democracy. A lot forget.