I voted for Brexit ‘I voted for Brexit and was told it wouldn’t affect expats – now I can’t live in my £13,000 Italian house’

[OhNoOhNo]

Struggling to work up any sympathy…

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/brexit-voted-wouldnt-affect-expats-cant-live-italian-house-2508493?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=paulchown%2Fmagazine%2FBrexit+Reality+

There are no benefits then. Hope you sleep well.

To what? I'm finding some to flouncing!! It's quite fun :)

Oh flip, cross post and I thought I'd left then I spot this!

I thought I'd answered that?

As I've said, I have stated the benefits before and it got me nowhere except feeling really rubbish about myself as people called me stupid, racist, anti-vaxxer, wrong, deluded you name it. So no, just because everyone wants an opportunity to jump on and have a go, I will not engage.

When/if in the future, there is less judgement and hostility and more willingness to actaully hear and respect alternative views, then I will try again with offering my reasons. For now, I'm not going to expose myself further. It will not end well for me :)

Now...back to the flouncing...

As I said, no benefits. There never are. Night.

There will be, when you are open to hearing them brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Goodnight to you too..

I know. There never are.

When you change that opinion, you might start hearing some, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

I have learnt that there is no point walking through a shut door, you will only get hurt. When the door is open, then and only then, is there point to walking through it.

Your door ain't open ....

You just can't provide any that are remotely credible. In common with other leavers, this has been the case since 2016.

Yes, you are the same you. You are the you that harboured a thing that you hid from them and rationalised as "just my opinion and I'm entitled to it". Which is entirely right.

In 2016 your opinion became a vote. That bit of you that you keep hidden from your friends, greed, gullibility, xenophobia, desire to destabilise the UK, petty jealousy, whatever became a vote that changed things for the worse for this country and most of its citizens.

Of course political differences should be fine between friends. But your friends are unaware of this difference of opinion because you are unwilling to have that conversation with them. You are hiding this from them and have been hiding it for 7years. So you are still the same you. You just don't let your friends know who you are.

Thats illogical, this is an anonymous forum unless your previous username had your real name and address in it....

What you may or may not have said under a previous "name" is irrelevant, this is a new thread.... but you cannot even say what a well managed Brexit would be, let alone any benefits.. so i can draw my own conclusions on these and your other claims.
Like i said earlier, most will never admit they are wrong, just seek to blame others.

Oh amazing to discover another Brexiteer who can't tell us all the wonderful things about Brexit because we're too mean and horrible. It's funny how this has been the tactic of choice since it became evident ti everyone that there are no benefits to Brexit. Rather than admitting that, we have instead a whole host of SECRET reasons that Brexit could be great but anyone who speaks them aloud will be called a stupid racist. I'm so intrigued to know what these actually very sensible and valid reasons for Brexit are that appear stupid and racist but...aren't?

If there was anything good about Brexit, leavers would shout it from the rooftops.

And @HaveToHideAsAnon wants to say society is in the wrong for wanting accountability. Saying voting Brexit is 'just a political opinion' as though those can't have devastating consequences for people's real lives. What a ridiculous fantasy world these leavers live in. It's why we're pleased when people like Mr Boohoo My Italian Dream House finally get yanked back to reality where the rest of us have to live.

Brexit has been incredibly poorly executed and managed.

And that us a surprise ?

Really ?

Honestly ?

Show me one shred or vaguely convincing evidence that you had that Brexit would be well executed and managed ? You may start from the incompetence of an entire government department "forgetting" the VAT on the bid for the 2012 Olympics. You may also refer to HS2 and Universal Credit in your reply.

It's all gone so secret squirrel hasn't it ?

"I could tell you the benefits of Brexit - but you're too stupid to understand."

It's really just a variation of "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you"

It's telling the only people Brexiteers have convinced of the benefits of Brexit are other Brexiteers. Presumably because you don't need objective facts.

Brilliant post.

Not you're too stupid to understand; you're too mean! Because Leavers are victims. They won, get over it, but they're still very persecuted and misunderstood*. None of this is their fault!

*(Mainly misunderstood because they refuse to explain the wonders of Brexit to us unenlightened).

‘You wouldn’t know the benefits, he goes to a different school’.

Mensa eh? They must be so proud. You might want to keep that to yourself, along with your political opinions Anon, people will only laugh the louder. Terrible shame, that although you're right, of course, absolutely nobody else agrees with you. You might consider employing your huge and certified IQ on pondering why that might be.

I find it amusing it's Brexiteers who tire of talking of Brexit now. It's not quite yet an identifying characteristic, but it's certainly indicative.

As the late great Karen Carpenter would have sung "It's only just begun". Wait until the next generation pick up the baton.

If anyone thought they could buttfuck an entire generation and sweep it under the carpet, they were even more stupid that they seemed.

I’m gaping wide open here ready for the long list of benefits we all now enjoy thanks to your heroic vote.

I absolutely never said "I could tell you the benefits of brexit but you r too stupid to understand". I would never say that, because while some remainers like to call brexiteers stupid, I would never cast the same cruel insult. It isn't true anyway. Most people on both sides are more than capable of understanding the reasons and arguments, and even they are not, this is a free country where everyone is allowed to vote and we should all be valued and allowed to express our opinions.

The reason I'm not getting into debate here, is because I've done that before quite a few times, and it never ends well for me. To be fair, anything anyone who voted brexit ever says never seems to end well for them. Too many people ploughing in to rip them apart.

People who voted in a free vote should not be the target of everyone's venom. That should be David Cameron, who's idea it was to give us all the vote in the first place. You can't expect the average person to know all the fine details, to have read every economic paper, to have predicted the future (COVID, Truss, Sunak). Some people vote based on their hearts, on their political leanings, on what they are sold. Others vote based on individual circumstances and family circumstance, some vote based on doing some reading (but it's not going to be the level that our policy makers and civil servants are pivvy too), some (in the case of brexit) voted on principals of democracy, some vote to feel heard, I could go on ...

One person's reasons for voting one way, are not better than another person's reasons for voting another way. The one sure fire way to keep people firmly in their position is to insult them and stamp them down. Want people to change? Be respectful to them, listen to them, help them feel heard, show them how they could benefit from things being different. Don't insult people. We know that battering people into submission never works.

Maybe I'd change my mind if there was a space to openly discuss my views where I would feel valued and respected as an equal, not considered pathetic, stupid, and ignorant.

Brexit Arms has become Brexiteers Anonymous

How do you feel @HaveToHideAsAnon when your own side laugh at you for being thick?

Both Aaron Banks and Dominic Cummings have said as much about Leave voters. Aaron Banks said he 'fed voters a story then took their hand and led them up the garden path' these were his actual words when he appeared infront of a committee of MPs. I'll see if I can find the clip for you in a minute. Dominic Cummings made a long after dinner speech describing Leave voters as unable to understand any of the arguments and not having a clue what they voted for. He went on to say the Remain side had facts but they had feelings and Remain lost because they overestimated the intelligence of the public by talking about the SM/CU and other such things the public had no clue about. He said most MPs didn't understand these things either.

Let me guess, you didn't see/ listen to their campaign, you listened to other, thoughtful, informed and clever arguments from people who definitely weren't racists.

C'mon, I promise I won't be disrespectful if you just bullet point the benefits of Brexit down below.

What really astonishes me @HaveToHideAsAnon is your assertion you'd vote Brexit again. You say that people weren't privy to all the information (missing out that the info out there was dismissed by fools as Project Fear, and experts were derided in a major act of self harm) but now you've seen for yourself how damaging Brexit has been and will be, you'd still vote for more pain for all of us? That isn't just a benign difference of opinion. You actively want to make us poorer and make our lives more difficult. So how can people just say 'never mind, no one's reasons are better than anyone else's reasons'? When one person's reasons cause such an immense amount of pointless self-inflicted misery? People aren't just being cruel to express their anger over this. How could they not be angry?

Here he is Aaron Banks, where's he now I wonder, Russia?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44446632