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TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 20:06

Speak for yourself @BritinEU.Hmm

What lies did you tell as a Remainer and why?Confused

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 20:08

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 20:00

Much of it was utter nonsense. Eg the post-referendum recession. We exaggerated wildly and lied our heads off just as the Brexiters did. They just lied a bit better.
There has been an economic hit but nowhere near what has been shouted about.

I'm a Remainer btw.

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My above post is in response to ^^.

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 20:15

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 20:06

Speak for yourself @BritinEU.Hmm

What lies did you tell as a Remainer and why?Confused

I'm not sure I told any lies. You've just told one, though about Project Fear.

Or are you really suggesting that the imminent post-referendum recession wasn't a big lie ?

Even the head of the Remain campaign admitted they were exaggerating.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-10/it-was-project-fear-and-it-didnt-work-head-of-remain-campaign-says-economic-dangers-of-brexit-were-exaggerated

It's always possible that you maintained a dispassionate, level head in 2016 and, throughout the campaign, told people that the media messages from both sides were distortions.
However, given what you've been writing here, I'm doubtful that this was the case.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 20:29

Are you denying Project fear was a slogan used by Leavers to dismiss the very obvious damage that Brexit would do to the UK?

I did not lie. I am no liar.Hmm

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 20:32

You said we exaggerated wildly and lied our heads off....

What lies did you tell back then @BritinEU? Why did you tell them?

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 20:33

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 20:29

Are you denying Project fear was a slogan used by Leavers to dismiss the very obvious damage that Brexit would do to the UK?

I did not lie. I am no liar.Hmm

'Project Fear' was used as a term to dismiss the claims of the Remain side, many of which were exaggerated to cause fear. If you click on the link I provided, you'll see that the head of the Remain campaign said that 'Project Fear' is what the Remain campaign was doing and it didn't work.

Ok - you don't lie. You just don't know what you're talking about. Better ?

Rummikub · 30/07/2023 20:34

Didn’t Rees mogg make a fortune post brexit as a result?

Brefugee · 30/07/2023 20:36

Fuck him, fuck his wife and i hope they never get to live in it.
It wasn't particularly onerous and expensive (compared to friends who had to do the equivalent in the UK) but i had to get citizenship of another country in order to carry on with my life, and i didn't get a vote.

So, up yours and i hope it causes you a lot of stress and expense.

Rummikub · 30/07/2023 20:50

Channel 4 alleges JRM made £7 million as a result of brexit.

SerendipityJane · 30/07/2023 20:51

Rummikub · 30/07/2023 20:50

Channel 4 alleges JRM made £7 million as a result of brexit.

So that's how much a nations future prosperity was worth then ?

Who remembers the end of "Trading Places" ?

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 21:13

I read your link @BritinEU. To sum it up for those who didn't: the Tory Party mismanaged the whole thing and got it completely wrong. As well as exaggerating wildly and lying their heads off.

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 21:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 21:13

I read your link @BritinEU. To sum it up for those who didn't: the Tory Party mismanaged the whole thing and got it completely wrong. As well as exaggerating wildly and lying their heads off.

This is getting silly.

The head of the Remain campaign clearly stated in the link that the Remain campaign practiced Project Fear and that they exaggerated the risks from Brexit.

I know that it undermines what you've written but that's life.

Ignoring well sourced facts that are inconvenient to your case and to just carry on regardless as if the facts aren't there is behaviour typical of the Brexiters.

The last line of Animal Farm springs to mind.

newnamethanks · 30/07/2023 21:40

You're obviously completely correct BritinEU. Everything's going absolutely splendidly and UK residents have never had it so good, no crises anywhere in this country and hurrah for Boris and his horde of grasping charlatans.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2023 21:47

midsomermurderess · 28/07/2023 19:23

They could do, if they went through the necessary processes, and took out health insurance. Look, people were lied to, were deceived. It's a bit graceless to gloat so.

Did you even read the article?

They do not have the money to live there now.

People weren't lied to, 3rd country status & what it means, was and is very well known about, it was no great secret, anyone with a PC and internet could easily find out exactly what it means.

People make choices and choices have consequences.

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 21:56

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 19:49

Completely support a 'Brexit tax' obviously it wouldn't give us our rights back but the people who voted for it should be held to account.

The idea is that it's an optional sign up with HMRC for confessed Brexit supporters. And if not enough of them opt to pay it (i.e. over 50% of the electorate) then it's safe to presume that they didn't really mean they were happy to be poorer, they meant they were happy to make other people poorer to fund their xenophobic dreams. And therefore they cannot be taken seriously and should be ignored and we should rejoin the single market and customs union as fast as possible.

So worst case scenario the rest of us at least get compensated financially for the economic hit. Although I agree that the other damage they have done on top is immeasurable and this won't fix it, at all. But in all likelihood the spineless gits would not sign up, the number doing so would be maybe 5% of hardcore nutters not 50%, and therefore at least we can repair some of the economic and other damage by pursuing sensible policies again, having proved that these people never had any serious intention to own their decision in the first place.

Start a petition on No10 petition website. I'll sign it.

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 21:56

newnamethanks · 30/07/2023 21:40

You're obviously completely correct BritinEU. Everything's going absolutely splendidly and UK residents have never had it so good, no crises anywhere in this country and hurrah for Boris and his horde of grasping charlatans.

Don't invent things.

I implied nothing of the sort. I just pointed out that both sides lied and that our side ran a Project Fear strategy, which it did.

I also suspect that, unlike most people commenting here, I belong to one of the groups hit hardest by Brexit.

No fan of Brexit, nor of lies.

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2023 21:57

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 20:33

'Project Fear' was used as a term to dismiss the claims of the Remain side, many of which were exaggerated to cause fear. If you click on the link I provided, you'll see that the head of the Remain campaign said that 'Project Fear' is what the Remain campaign was doing and it didn't work.

Ok - you don't lie. You just don't know what you're talking about. Better ?

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Err You clearly haven't read your own link... Rose states it was a mis managed campaign, he had little say in & he regrets being part of but at no point does he say they were instigating Project Fear....

You don't know what you re talking about.

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 22:00

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2023 21:57

Err You clearly haven't read your own link... Rose states it was a mis managed campaign, he had little say in & he regrets being part of but at no point does he say they were instigating Project Fear....

You don't know what you re talking about.

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Don't cherry pick, thanks.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-10/it-was-project-fear-and-it-didnt-work-head-of-remain-campaign-says-economic-dangers-of-brexit-were-exaggerated

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 22:13

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 20:00

Much of it was utter nonsense. Eg the post-referendum recession. We exaggerated wildly and lied our heads off just as the Brexiters did. They just lied a bit better.
There has been an economic hit but nowhere near what has been shouted about.

I'm a Remainer btw.

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This is what you said @BritinEU , so you are clearly not bothered about lying. At least sometimes. You then said they just lied a bit better. And posted a link to some bloke moaning that Cameron didn't do the work and tales of incompetence and lies in the Tory Remain campaign.

I had no idea that Brexit was a Lying Competition between Cameron and Johnson.Hmm

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 22:15

Alexandra2001 · 30/07/2023 21:57

Err You clearly haven't read your own link... Rose states it was a mis managed campaign, he had little say in & he regrets being part of but at no point does he say they were instigating Project Fear....

You don't know what you re talking about.

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And here's another one.

As he admits, whatever misgivings he may have had, the campaign was Project Fear.
https://www.cityam.com/lord-stuart-rose-interview-former-ms-boss-opens-up-ill/

As for admitting it, I thought our side was the evidence-based one ?

Just like the Brexiters walked away from their lies, we walk away from ours, eg imminent recession, emergency budgets .

It's all a matter of historical record.

Lord Stuart Rose interview: Former M&S boss opens up on the ill-fated Stronger In campaign and his 10,000 bottles of wine - CityAM

Lord Rose of Monewden knows how to do things in style. In the space of a 45-year business career he managed to navigate his way through more boards, bids, bust-ups and blow-ups than seems possible in a single lifetime, collecting a knighthood, then a p...

https://www.cityam.com/lord-stuart-rose-interview-former-ms-boss-opens-up-ill

Endlesssummer2022 · 30/07/2023 22:21

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 20:00

Much of it was utter nonsense. Eg the post-referendum recession. We exaggerated wildly and lied our heads off just as the Brexiters did. They just lied a bit better.
There has been an economic hit but nowhere near what has been shouted about.

I'm a Remainer btw.

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Sure you were a remainer. Chinny reckon.

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 22:22

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 22:13

This is what you said @BritinEU , so you are clearly not bothered about lying. At least sometimes. You then said they just lied a bit better. And posted a link to some bloke moaning that Cameron didn't do the work and tales of incompetence and lies in the Tory Remain campaign.

I had no idea that Brexit was a Lying Competition between Cameron and Johnson.Hmm

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Ok - so you've dropped your earlier "Project Fear" claim then. Progress, of a sort.

Yes - the economic hit has been nowhere near what was shouted about during the campaign. We didn't have the emergency budget, nor the Brexit recession.

One can't walk away from the historical record, however tempting it may be to do so.

It's been pretty much as I expected. Brexit has made a difficult economic situation a bit worse.

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 22:25

Endlesssummer2022 · 30/07/2023 22:21

Sure you were a remainer. Chinny reckon.

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Sorry - but I was a Remainer and would likely vote to Rejoin if a referendum was held tomorrow.

It's interesting that pointing out that both sides lied and distorted the facts, and giving evidence of this, somehow makes me a Brexiter.

If the presented facts are inconvenient, attack the person. Very Brexiter-like.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 22:33

Both sides of the Tory party lied and distorted the facts. Because Brexit wasn't about what was best for the UK, it was a lying competition between two Torys. As you have shown, Project Fear was a Tory invention, used by both sides to the detriment of the UK @BritinEU.Angry

Unlike @Endlesssummer2022, I can well believe that you wildly exaggerated and lied for your favourite Tory of the two.Hmm

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