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Rummikub · 30/07/2023 17:44

I remember on the night when votes were being counted farage said he would dispute the results if leave lost!

SerendipityJane · 30/07/2023 18:00

Truss and kamikwasi

Even the Telegraph is admitting the UK is going to be paying a "moron premium" [sic] for decades. That's your grandkids kids futures right there.

Quite aside from escaping the clutches of an evil revenge-seeking police, you can't blame poor Andrew M for fucking off out of the UK.

SerendipityJane · 30/07/2023 18:02

Rummikub · 30/07/2023 17:44

I remember on the night when votes were being counted farage said he would dispute the results if leave lost!

the hypocrisy of asymmetry, eh ?

If Remain had won by 2%, Leavers would have been frothing about how unfair and undemocratic it was.

Shortly after the vote, a US friend said my company should close all the male toilets, given our 51% female employee status. That would have been democracy in action.

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 18:11

Blossomtoes · 30/07/2023 12:13

It wasn’t. Until Farage et al started stirring the pot very few people gave a flying fuck about it.

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And don't forget Farage lies to the terminally thick about the 2015 migration crisis. Frightening the racists with his 'breaking point' posters and 'they're all coming here' because we're in the EU lies. I really need to stop being shocked by just how stupid and racist Leave voters are.

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 18:11

Luckydip1 · 30/07/2023 10:14

Labour supported Brexit too!!!

Mostly they didn't. Just idiot Jeremy Corbyn. 🙄 But I can't imagine they'd have instigated it. They never had a manifesto commitment to a referendum on this did they? Because basically it was only some far right racist nutters agitating for it so it was the Conservatives who were worried that they would lose those racists' votes. No scruples, clearly!

loislovesstewie · 30/07/2023 18:13

I despise David Cameron, an upper class Eton educated . He decided to allow a referendum without thinking what would happen if the result was leave. He had NO PLAN AT ALL!!! WTF was he being paid for? Then he resigned as PM, then he left politics, now making a fortune by the usual routes for former PM's. What a miserable apology for a statesman.
I can't say what I would like,a s it would be deleted .

Rummikub · 30/07/2023 18:14

Wasn’t it more to do with disaster capitalism?

Rees Mogg Sr has written about it.

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 18:14

Luckydip1 · 30/07/2023 10:47

Labour still thinks it's a great idea:

Setting out Britain's relationship with Europe under a Labour government, Starmer says: “With Labour, Britain will not go back into the EU. We will not be joining the single market. We will not be joining a customs union.” He will add: “We will not return to freedom of movement to create short term fixes

Yeah they are being wimps about it now, because they don't want to upset the idiots by telling them they are idiots. Starmer was hardly an advocate of it at the time of the vote, was he? I don't support any political party but trying to shift blame for Brexit to anybody but the Conservatives is a non-starter.

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 18:14

Anyway, where are all the Leave voters whinging 'we're not racist, we're not thick' despite all the evidence to the contrary.

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 18:14

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 11:04

You know for the party of personal responsibility, the Tories have a very lax attitude towards taking responsibility for the fucking huge damage they've done to the country in the 13 years they've been in power.

Are they planning to use Shaggy's It Wasn't Me as their next election anthem?🤭

Hahaa that made me chuckle!! 🤣

loislovesstewie · 30/07/2023 18:14

sorry, lost the bit after Eton educated. It was

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 18:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 12:02

The country wasn't divided. The Tory party was divided.

Absolutely. EU membership featured nowhere on voters' lists of top concerns through polling at all before the Tories started all of this. It wasn't in response to any demand from the public, because there was no issue that any sensible person would think was remotely controversial, given EU membership had demosntrably significantly improved things for the UK in terms of our prosperity, freedoms, rights, trade, science, environmental policy, security etc.

SerendipityJane · 30/07/2023 18:20

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 18:14

Anyway, where are all the Leave voters whinging 'we're not racist, we're not thick' despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Maybe someone hid the caps lock ?

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 18:20

Yes, most politicians are too scared of upsetting the brexit voting fools to be honest about just how much damage brexit is doing. I'm sure we've all seen it on here. Leave voters getting all upset and saying if you call us stupid then I'm just going to vote for more brexit (get brexit done) to spite you. Thereby proving themselves to be super thick in the process.
Unfortunately, this is the level of voter stupidity politicians have to deal with.

SerendipityJane · 30/07/2023 18:24

Yes, most politicians are too scared of upsetting the brexit voting fools to be honest about just how much damage brexit is doing.

Not so sure about that. Paul Weller was quite the prophet when he wrote that the "people want what the people get". If the Express told it's readers that the UK joining the EU was the best way to show Johnny Foreigner what good old British spunk looks like, 80% would be clamouring to get back in.

The reason they are so devoted to Brexit as it is, is because the Express tells them it's going swimmingly.

The real question is what influence do Express, Mail and Telegraph readers have in elections. Fuck all in Selby it seems.

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 18:26

Jackydaytona · 30/07/2023 17:38

My only crumb of comfort is that now - thanks to De Pfeffle Johnson and Truss and kamikwasi - Tory voters are also feeling the pain.

Historically, tory voters have always been insulated against the consequences of their vote...it only affected the poor and vulnerable.

No longer.

Enjoy!

See my proposal earlier in the thread about a Brexit tax. They said that it was "worth being poorer" so it's time for them to put their money where their mouth is an leave voters cover the cost. It's running at around £50bn lost tax revenue per annum now...

So each leave voter needs to cough up £3000 per annum (uprated annually) to compensate everyone else.

Bananarepublic · 30/07/2023 18:38

loislovesstewie · 29/07/2023 10:06

I was astonished by so many people,including people in business, who had not realised that exporting anything to the EU would be so difficult post Brexit. They seemed to think that it would just carry on as before, or that suddenly there would be a new market elsewhere which would be so easy to send items to. No thought at all that there would be tons of paperwork to complete etc.
And, that's before we get to people who hadn't considered what would happen to Brits who lived in the EU or holidaying in the EU. I really can't deal with them, I'm afraid.

That's what drove me mad about people banging on about EU bureaucracy. I tried to tell them that they'd be far more bureaucracy from not being in the EU but these days something written on FB or some conspiracy site carries more weight than actual facts and reasoning!

ButterCrackers · 30/07/2023 18:42

Breakfastofmilk · 30/07/2023 11:47

The Labour Party don't (in general) support Brexit. They're just scared that if they say so openly and clearly they will lose working class voters, so they obfuscate. Same as they obfuscate on the NHS, on strike action in general and on trans rights, with the end effect that they appear not to have any policies at all.

I really hope it works as this country is decimated enough by Brexit and everything else the tories have done over the last 13 years but it makes it hard to wholeheartedly support them.

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I read the words of the Labour leader who is in support of Brexit. I used to think that Labour was the opposite of Tory but now they are the the Torys.

Rummikub · 30/07/2023 18:43

Also markets that are 1000s of mikes away wouldn’t be environmentally sound.

It’s this lack of joined up thinking that drives me mad.

Bananarepublic · 30/07/2023 18:47

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 10:32

Instigated by the Tory PM of the day and championed by the man who until a year ago was the Tory PM.

For all of UKIP's bellyaching at the time, it was the Tories wot done it because David Cameron was so insecure and so stupid.

Absolutely this!

SerendipityJane · 30/07/2023 19:15

I used to think that Labour was the opposite of Tory but now they are the the Torys.

You're only allowed to choose your shade of blue in England. Which is how it was for most of the past 1,000 years. I look forward to a detailed explanation of what made the Whigs so different to the Tories that todays electorate would relate to.

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 19:29

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 18:26

See my proposal earlier in the thread about a Brexit tax. They said that it was "worth being poorer" so it's time for them to put their money where their mouth is an leave voters cover the cost. It's running at around £50bn lost tax revenue per annum now...

So each leave voter needs to cough up £3000 per annum (uprated annually) to compensate everyone else.

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Completely support a 'Brexit tax' obviously it wouldn't give us our rights back but the people who voted for it should be held to account.

Kendodd · 30/07/2023 19:33

I'm hoping to go to this. I don't care what Leave voters want, I won't shut up about the damage they have done.
marchforrejoin.co.uk/home-1

PassTheSnacks · 30/07/2023 19:49

Completely support a 'Brexit tax' obviously it wouldn't give us our rights back but the people who voted for it should be held to account.

The idea is that it's an optional sign up with HMRC for confessed Brexit supporters. And if not enough of them opt to pay it (i.e. over 50% of the electorate) then it's safe to presume that they didn't really mean they were happy to be poorer, they meant they were happy to make other people poorer to fund their xenophobic dreams. And therefore they cannot be taken seriously and should be ignored and we should rejoin the single market and customs union as fast as possible.

So worst case scenario the rest of us at least get compensated financially for the economic hit. Although I agree that the other damage they have done on top is immeasurable and this won't fix it, at all. But in all likelihood the spineless gits would not sign up, the number doing so would be maybe 5% of hardcore nutters not 50%, and therefore at least we can repair some of the economic and other damage by pursuing sensible policies again, having proved that these people never had any serious intention to own their decision in the first place.

BritinEU · 30/07/2023 20:00

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2023 17:15

Only the liars and idiots called the truth Project Fear.

Much of it was utter nonsense. Eg the post-referendum recession. We exaggerated wildly and lied our heads off just as the Brexiters did. They just lied a bit better.
There has been an economic hit but nowhere near what has been shouted about.

I'm a Remainer btw.