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Aliens???

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ssd · 26/07/2023 18:17

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WhereTheSuburbsMeetUttoxeter · 26/07/2023 21:13

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 26/07/2023 20:17

Lots of people have missed that the standard line on UFOs and aliens has changed over the last couple of years. Even past presidents have admitted that there are UFOs now

Nobody has ever doubted or denied the existence of UFO's.

Unidentified Flying Object

It's a descriptor which is applied to any object witnessed in the sky that is not immediately identifiable, whether it's a weather event, a man-made vehicle, or a wheelie-bin caught in a heavy wind.

If ET's do exist, and it is by no means a necessity that they must, then it's highly improbable they are visiting Earth, because first of all they'd have to recognise Earth amongst billions of planets in an infinite universe as somewhere worth bothering to visit in the first place, but not only that, they'd have to learn how to travel inter-dimensionally because the distances are so vast that it just isn't feasible for any being with a finite lifespan and machinery that could conceivably fail them before they got further than their own back yard.

The thing is, is that this is your perception and opinion coming from your human mind.

There are things that we cannot contemplate or imagine, because we simply can't.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:13

SaltyCrisps · 26/07/2023 21:12

Also, and I realise this also comes across as though I’m a conspiracist, but this sudden change of approach then has me worried at what is actually really going on that they need to be honest now…

Me too.

Could be events in the galaxies that are shaping our political aspects.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:15

WhereTheSuburbsMeetUttoxeter · 26/07/2023 21:13

The thing is, is that this is your perception and opinion coming from your human mind.

There are things that we cannot contemplate or imagine, because we simply can't.

It's like the humans in a fish tank, sometimes there's whole other beings that are or would be omg.

At least that's if I've understood your point.

noblegiraffe · 26/07/2023 21:15

All that has happened now is that they are finally putting their hands up and admitting 'sorry public, yup, these things happen, and we're as puzzled by it as you are. If you want explanations, sorry, but we don't have any".

Not entirely, because he's saying that the craft are stored in locations that he cannot tell a public hearing but will tell a private one.

So the suggestion is that there are people who do know.

And if there are people who do know, why are they letting this hearing go ahead?

The existence of this hearing is really weird.

MistyMorningMelons · 26/07/2023 21:16

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/07/2023 21:11

It’s certainly possible, the milestone thing. It would make sense to monitor the galaxy next door if it could pose a threat and a species had the technology to do so.

One of my theories is that aliens could be our future selves after mastering time travel. Maybe it is a dimensional thing. Like the film Interstellar, roughly speaking.

Or maybe egregores are a real thing and enough people have put thought and energy into their fantasies that they have become real.

I mean, it could be any number of improbable things, and maybe we’ll never get the answer.

Either way it’s all intriguing.

Well I'd rather like to catch my timetravelling future (or indeed past?) self, make a note of some lottery numbers, go back and make my current life a lot easier 😃

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:17

noblegiraffe · 26/07/2023 21:15

All that has happened now is that they are finally putting their hands up and admitting 'sorry public, yup, these things happen, and we're as puzzled by it as you are. If you want explanations, sorry, but we don't have any".

Not entirely, because he's saying that the craft are stored in locations that he cannot tell a public hearing but will tell a private one.

So the suggestion is that there are people who do know.

And if there are people who do know, why are they letting this hearing go ahead?

The existence of this hearing is really weird.

Exactly, chances are you would suspect the ones with true influence and power would have these hearings shelved asap or even before they got as far as they are.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/07/2023 21:17

I’m definitely more intrigued about the why of this hearing than what IYSWIM.

But it is great to come on here and be able to have a talk about it without the instant David Icke dismissal for once.

CatchItDerry · 26/07/2023 21:18

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:12

Greer, related to the disclosure project?
From my research days.

There was an episode of star Trek voyager where certain civilisation could be slightly out of phase that made them invisible to humans.

Yes that Greer.

The frequencies theory could also start to explain the paranormal.
Something that crops up now and again is the issue of time. Humans experience time as travelling through it, getting older, with a past and a future. There’s an area of quantum physics suggesting that all time exists now, that instead of us passing through time, time passes through us - all we can experience is the now. If our frequency matches another time we may have a brush with a “ghost”, someone existing in another frequency at the same time. I struggle to get my head round this, but I find it intriguing.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:19

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/07/2023 21:17

I’m definitely more intrigued about the why of this hearing than what IYSWIM.

But it is great to come on here and be able to have a talk about it without the instant David Icke dismissal for once.

That's the thing, at some point humanity will need to conquer the galaxies.

Why should humans be the dishwashers of the galaxies.

We should rule or at least try.

That said what's in those stars, I'm not sure but the prospects is quite scary and quite wonderful at the same time.

MistyMorningMelons · 26/07/2023 21:20

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:17

Exactly, chances are you would suspect the ones with true influence and power would have these hearings shelved asap or even before they got as far as they are.

It's concerning when the powers that be start dropping crumbs for the public. It's always a distraction from the real issue.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:21

CatchItDerry · 26/07/2023 21:18

Yes that Greer.

The frequencies theory could also start to explain the paranormal.
Something that crops up now and again is the issue of time. Humans experience time as travelling through it, getting older, with a past and a future. There’s an area of quantum physics suggesting that all time exists now, that instead of us passing through time, time passes through us - all we can experience is the now. If our frequency matches another time we may have a brush with a “ghost”, someone existing in another frequency at the same time. I struggle to get my head round this, but I find it intriguing.

I've read about the concept of time, that it's basically not an arrow but instead is like a mixture of past, present and future all mixed in one, which would make time travel possible with the right technology.

MistyMorningMelons · 26/07/2023 21:21

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:19

That's the thing, at some point humanity will need to conquer the galaxies.

Why should humans be the dishwashers of the galaxies.

We should rule or at least try.

That said what's in those stars, I'm not sure but the prospects is quite scary and quite wonderful at the same time.

Humans are complete pricks. We are the last species who should be in charge of the galaxies. We wreck everything.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:22

MistyMorningMelons · 26/07/2023 21:20

It's concerning when the powers that be start dropping crumbs for the public. It's always a distraction from the real issue.

True but with this if the public or most already presume we guess other civilisations exist then what are we being given crumbs too.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 26/07/2023 21:22

WhereTheSuburbsMeetUttoxeter · 26/07/2023 21:13

The thing is, is that this is your perception and opinion coming from your human mind.

There are things that we cannot contemplate or imagine, because we simply can't.

It's not just my human mind, it's how the whole of humanity understands the nature of our universe at this current point in time.

Improbable doesn't = impossible, but it isn't as simple as Fred and Wilma from beta reticuli jumping in the family flying saucer and visiting Nevada for the weekend.

If they do exist, and if they have detected us as a planet and a civilisation worth bothering about, then the questions posed about how they actually get here require some pretty fantastical answers, but they are not completely beyond the scope of our human perception of the universe. Just because we don't know how, and we don't posses the technology to travel to black holes, never mind through them, doesn't mean that we can't conceive of the fact that could quite possibly be the secret to 'inter-dimensional' or 'warp' travel, because as we understand black holes, they appear to do some bizarre things to time and space, so it's possible some civilisation somewhere has develop the means to exploit that.

It's also entirely possible that we are, and always have been entirely alone as the only remotely developed civilisation in the universe, and what people are witnessing has nothing at all to do with ET's, because just as 'Improbable doesn't = Impossible', 'Possible and plausible does not = probable'.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/07/2023 21:22

My late DP was absolutely convinced he saw his future teenage self when he was a child, and then repeated the experience as a teenager when he reached that age. He was way more sceptical than I most of the time but when he related the story, he was visibly discombobulated and subsequent re-telling never varied.

So the time / vibrations/ dimension aspect sort of tastes right even if the particulars have yet to be nailed down.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:24

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 26/07/2023 21:22

It's not just my human mind, it's how the whole of humanity understands the nature of our universe at this current point in time.

Improbable doesn't = impossible, but it isn't as simple as Fred and Wilma from beta reticuli jumping in the family flying saucer and visiting Nevada for the weekend.

If they do exist, and if they have detected us as a planet and a civilisation worth bothering about, then the questions posed about how they actually get here require some pretty fantastical answers, but they are not completely beyond the scope of our human perception of the universe. Just because we don't know how, and we don't posses the technology to travel to black holes, never mind through them, doesn't mean that we can't conceive of the fact that could quite possibly be the secret to 'inter-dimensional' or 'warp' travel, because as we understand black holes, they appear to do some bizarre things to time and space, so it's possible some civilisation somewhere has develop the means to exploit that.

It's also entirely possible that we are, and always have been entirely alone as the only remotely developed civilisation in the universe, and what people are witnessing has nothing at all to do with ET's, because just as 'Improbable doesn't = Impossible', 'Possible and plausible does not = probable'.

beta reticuli
That sounds familiar
Apparently back in the day there was ment to be project serpo I believe a suppose exchange program.

NeverHadANickname · 26/07/2023 21:25

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:03

Basically humans are not alone.

Got it, thanks 😁

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:26

NeverHadANickname · 26/07/2023 21:25

Got it, thanks 😁

On a serious note the YouTube radio show of coast to coast am with art bell and George Norway
Is a good introduction to various topics of that nature.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 26/07/2023 21:27

MistyMorningMelons · 26/07/2023 21:21

Humans are complete pricks. We are the last species who should be in charge of the galaxies. We wreck everything.

I think if there are advanced civilisations capable of far interstellar travel in feasible timescales, then humanity wouldn't be of any more significance or interest to them than stone-age technology is to us in terms of current relevance.

It's also a bit pompous to assume they are coming here to inspect us anyway. They could conceivably be here to examine Earth's microbial life, or the particular biochemical quirks of out specific planet. We might be no more to them than a totally 'meh' irrelevance.

BlossomWood · 26/07/2023 21:28

I do think they will be going into damage control. Consider how many people have lost jobs, reputations ruined, silenced, paid off, etc.. all done in the name of the 'US government' for reporting 'sightings' (now appears to not be the US government but some department that the government aren't even aware of??).
I think the majority of the public already accept that we are not alone. There's more mistrust with the people in charge (who TF is even in charge?) and this could ruin the current way governments run.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:29

MistyMorningMelons · 26/07/2023 21:21

Humans are complete pricks. We are the last species who should be in charge of the galaxies. We wreck everything.

That said, I'd rather be helping to command the conquest of the galaxies,

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:29

BlossomWood · 26/07/2023 21:28

I do think they will be going into damage control. Consider how many people have lost jobs, reputations ruined, silenced, paid off, etc.. all done in the name of the 'US government' for reporting 'sightings' (now appears to not be the US government but some department that the government aren't even aware of??).
I think the majority of the public already accept that we are not alone. There's more mistrust with the people in charge (who TF is even in charge?) and this could ruin the current way governments run.

As for the ones truly in charge, I think that's a whole different thread.

MiniTheMinx · 26/07/2023 21:31

Castlerock44 · 26/07/2023 21:08

But to say God doesn't exist is an opinion. I believe in God and I also believe we aren't the only life form.

Did he swear on the bible when he testified to seeing, not seeing, knowing about, having heard about the aliens?

GasPanic · 26/07/2023 21:31

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/07/2023 21:17

I’m definitely more intrigued about the why of this hearing than what IYSWIM.

But it is great to come on here and be able to have a talk about it without the instant David Icke dismissal for once.

The why was revealed I think by Garcia at the end.

It's about getting credible witnesses on public record as a stepping stone to further investigation.

I think it is the first time where the public can have confidence that there is a group of politicians in the US government (several US senators) who actually want to get to the truth of the matter and establish the facts, whatever they may actually be. And if people choose to frustrate them in that process, then the consequences for them could be quite serious.

Whatever you believe about the witnesses, I think the senators asking the questions are really serious about establishing the truth.

Hawkins0001 · 26/07/2023 21:33

GasPanic · 26/07/2023 21:31

The why was revealed I think by Garcia at the end.

It's about getting credible witnesses on public record as a stepping stone to further investigation.

I think it is the first time where the public can have confidence that there is a group of politicians in the US government (several US senators) who actually want to get to the truth of the matter and establish the facts, whatever they may actually be. And if people choose to frustrate them in that process, then the consequences for them could be quite serious.

Whatever you believe about the witnesses, I think the senators asking the questions are really serious about establishing the truth.

But then it depends on what "truth" and narrative is given to the public.

Unless we have an independence day type event, it could be many more years before ET phone home.

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