Aliens???

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What fucking next

Look how people reacted to Covid....

Of course people reacting like that to Covid! That was the message & logically that should have been the message. How else do you "control" millions of people?!

@Dotjones

Great post! I agree with you. The length of time that humans have been capable of recognising alien contact is a blink of the eye (or not even) in the existence of the universe.

There have been claims of UFO sightings for a long, long time. What there haven't been is public congressional hearings discussing sightings and government cover-ups. That's weird.

This Spectator article discussing the phenomena of elected US govt officials openly discussing this is interesting https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ufos-or-not-something-is-up/

Grusch, the guy who is reporting the crashed craft, the recovered bodies is only reporting second hand info. But for his position he would come across as a bog standard conspiracy theorist. He seems genuine. Is he being duped, and if so, for what purpose?

Another question to all those thinking aliens are rocking up here

why? Just observing because interested ? Why would you invest so much of your own planets resources and sentient life forms in a few day outs to the earth zoo . You’d first be using all this amazing technology you have to identify that this small planet, in small solar system has sentiment life forms from the comfort of our own planets armchair, (even we can detect that and are searching actively for the tell tale traces of sentiment life) . you’d then, after years of research perhaps risk sending an unarmed craft to explore just in case said planet had sentiment life forms that were a tadge aggressive and blow your craft up at huge loss of resources . You’d certainly not , even at speed of light, be sending aging aliens on a journey to be potentially annihilated, when unmanned equipment or astrological observation can provide same information

or is it because they’re invading ? Because they are colonists or after resources? So, our planet is already in an aging solar system . The sun is about half way through its life cycle before it first turns to giant and annihilates all plants, before imploding into a dwarf and probably a black hole. This planet is currently inhabited by sentiment beings, and even without visiting in person they’ll be pretty easily able to tell we’ve used up most of our planets natural resources and have done a pretty good job on setting it on a pathway to uninhabitable.
but out there in the universe, there are potentially billions of other exoplanets in the “ sweet spot” to support life. Planets orbiting younger suns, planets with a barely evolved life forms in form of single cell organisms or bacteria, still millions of years away from evolving into sentiment beings.
so, here’s aliens decisions: do we invade this aging and somewhat battered and resource depleted planet who have potential to put up a good fight that will make invasion a tadge messy. Or shall we just pop over to that other younger world, no war needed, pristine and resources unblemished, and just deal with a few scary bacteria and single cell organisms

oh, decisions , descions 🤔….

I think re science there are a lot of unknowns still. Although general relativity and quantum mechanics have been remarkably successful in describing many of the things we see, we still don't have an idea of how gravity works at a microscopic scale (theory of quantum gravity).

As regards describing how the universe works at a macro scale, there are still some large unknowns there. For example we know extra mass is needed to explain the macroscopic behaviour of galaxies, but for whatever reason we cannot detect this mass. We've invented terms like dark energy and dark matter but we still do not know what they actually are - these are some of the most important outstanding questions in modern physics.

I think the second point I would make is aliens are alien ! They don't necessarily have the same life span as us, or may have genetically engineering themselves with advanced technology to have much longer lifespans. They may also have suspended animation technology, so a 50 year trip for an alien that can live for 5,000 years and spend most of those 50 years asleep would not be so implausible.

I think the point about watching the sky is an interesting one. There are a lot of science experiments around these days that are making increasingly sensitive observations of the universe, not only in micro terms (like for example JWST) but macro terms (for example Kepler, TESS and soon PLATO). We also have a lot of longer wavelength observatories (millimeter arrary and square kilometer array) coming on line. We've seen some interesting stuff so far that we have thought might have been aliens (for example KIC 8462852) but nothing definitive. With instruments like JWST we do have the ability to study exoplanet atmospheres, but the signals from the sorts of planets that we think might have life are quite low and difficult to resolve, and wouldn't prove, more like strongly hint, that there could be alien life present on a planet. I think that we are increasingly our ability to study the sky both at specific points and statistically at a huge rate, so if there is something out there, the probability we will find it is increasing rapidly.

Something that links into the sky watching is the development of earth bound sensor technology. Over the past 20 years or so there has been a massive increase in both the number and the technology of sensors. Both for military and civilian use. Now a significant fraction of the population carry high resolution cameras at all times (even though it is often difficult to take good pictures under challenging conditions). Military sensors observe at multiple wavelengths simultaneously and have the ability to track targets and record data. CCTV and infra red detection cameras are everywhere. What is the consequence of this ? Well I believe that one of the main consequences in terms of UAP is that if there is something out there, the probability that sooner or later someone is going to get really good pictures of it is increasing rapidly. It's no longer really possible for the military to blame a sighting on a weather balloon, or too many beers the night before like they did back in the 1990s, because the evidence is all there on six different sensors and all digitally recorded.

I think IF (and I have no idea whether there is a cover up or not) there is a military body out there censoring data or trying to cover up the existence of aliens the existence of this ever increasing sensor technology (either military, civilian or from the astronomy community) poses some real issues and potentially serious consequences for them if this technology offers up something that they cannot plausibly deny, and may provide a motivation for why they might want the whole "alien question" to become a lot more mainstream.

1 last point

as previous poster has already stated, the chances of sentient life forms developing on a plant is around 1 million to 1 planets (Go back for math and this has been determined by astrologists specialising in looking for life forms)

the chances of people having , even temporary, psychotic episodes is 100 to 1 people

which is the stronger probability?

psychosis , if you’ve ever had unfortunate experience to know someone whose had an episode or experienced it yourself, is not someone being completely and obviously insane. Delusions , hearing voices, visual hallucinations are all very real, and the brain perceives it in same way as it does external sensory stimulation. Often delusions are based on some sort of real experience or issue - just like when we dream our dreams are influenced by our days encounters and experiences . Clearly something would have triggered pschosis (stress, sleep deprivation , infections are all common causes) and then something they experience can trigger a delusion. That person doesn’t believe that thing happened. The saw that thing, they heard that thing, they KNOW it to have happened. Our brain has processed the information in the same way.

Yep, get all this. But still doesn’t answer question of why they’d bother rock up in person? See my later post.

Er, didn’t we used to call that “god”…humans have always had the need to believe in something bigger than themselves.
would be interesting to know if all the folks invested in alien encounters on earth carry the vesicular monoamine transporter 2 (VMAT2) gene 🤷🏼‍♀️

Aliens are alien and have alien motivations. I can think of a few.

Maybe because they like going to places and its trivial in terms of effort for them to do so. After all, humans like doing the same. We much prefer to tour a place rather than than seeing it on TV or via photos. back in the 1800s no tourists went to Australia because it was too hard. But once the tech became possible lots of people want to go there. My guess is if we invented the teleport even more would go.

Maybe the UAP we see are robotic spacecraft/probes via remote control and actually have no aliens in them. Some parts of the conspiracy to cover up may be false for example the existence of alien technology UAPs may be true, but the retrieval of alien bodies within them may be false.

Maybe it does indeed take a long time to get here, and they do that via being capable of being extremely long lived and suspended animation. In that case they would have to be here in person to process information in real time.

Maybe they feel there is a huge psychological gain to be had over us by being here in person and negotiating face to face. After all, coming face to face with an alien would be a lot more scary than negotiating over a tv screen.

Certainly, if I was designing a survelliance program for an alien planet, it wouldn't involve me zipping around in space ships on that planet if I had high technology. I would probably do it via remote control probes, and have a local base out of reach where I would control operations. All the zipping around prodding the natives would probably be inefficient and quite dangerous.

But they are still human with the limits of human intelligence. Think how far intelligence/sentience has evolved since the beginning of life.

It would be like comparing humans to ants.

Morning…..

Am so glad this is still going - every post is really interesting.

I’ve just read the Spectator article and think it’s pretty spot on.

With regard to psychosis, and possible “contagion” amongst TPTB involved in this in the US, well, I guess anything is possible.

And one of the things that gives me chills is the possibility that not only can our perception “fail” organically but enough manipulation and coercion from outside sources can achieve the same result.

The article writer mentioned de-stabilisation as a theoretical goal of disseminating the information being pushed out at present.

Thinking about the last three years, economic instability has become the norm, the job markets are de-stabilising because of the speed of technological advancement, we have a constant low level threat of nuclear war because Ukraine……not to mention the ever increasing divisions in society, and of course climate change.

Historically individual states in this sort of situation have gratefully accepted any change of regime that offers a bit of peace and security, at least for a time…. some regimes come with strings attached not obvious until the contract has been sealed.

Now that the entire world is feeling the pinch, how would the offer of a solution or - ahem - new world order be presented? Would it be united politicians and corporate entities offering protection and mediation in the face of our alien overlords? While I think the majority of people nowadays would in general not trust our shambolic leaders, it might be a case of better the devil you know….

I mean, it’s been done to death in fiction and films, and truth is often stranger than fiction.

Maybe they’re all just jerking our collective chains of course. Testing to see where we’re at psychologically on the “batshit bingo card” and what further tweaking can be done to keep us in line and productive, do we need an adjustment in the bread and circus department perhaps?

Or maybe it’s aliens?

At this point, I’m adopting a position of amused detachment and observation…. what a time to be alive……

Yes, this, but much better explained!

According to the best experimental data we have, we only actually know what 5% of the universe actually is made of !

95% is dark matter and dark energy. Although there are plenty of theories, no-one actually knows what that is !

It's probably the second biggest question in modern physics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_(spacecraft)

According to the team, the Universe is 13.798±0.037 billion-years-old, and contains 4.82%±0.05% ordinary matter, 25.8%±0.4% dark matter and 69%±1%dark energy.[28][29][30] The Hubble constant was also measured to be 67.80±0.77 (km/s)/Mpc.

But they don’t want to be honest about it . This isn’t the gov trying to bring it to the open. It’s retired and ex mil, ex employees and now Congress are willing to hear it , then it can be demanded to know the truth of the files if congress request after hearing evidence.

But those that have wanted it secret still do. Best if we don’t know I think. I don’t believe they’re a threat or we’d already know. Perhaps with their tech they made life here possible and want to help us stop destroying it. Who knows!
But you can see why those in the know would rather have it kept secret - maybe they want the tech for themselves, maybe they don’t want mass panic. But now we have a culture of not keeping quiet anymore so those that no longer are contracted to keep quiet can speak out so they are and for the first time Congress are willing to listen.

Maybe they’ve been seeing since the beginning and this is where religion started from, ancestors calling them Gods - all fascinating but my inner being says we won’t be told anything of substance anytime soon if ever. Those that are trying hard now to won’t get far with it.

There is a theory that the people doing the covering up are scared that with all the advances in modern technology on sensors etc that sooner or later something will be recorded that is impossible for them to deny.

If that is really the case they would be far better off revealing "the truth" now and explaining why they did it, rather than waiting for a potentially angry public to make sure they are all held accountable when "the truth" really does surface.

I think if for example an astronomy program detected alien life, the public in general would become a lot more accepting of the idea that we might have already made alien contact and a lot more aggressive in trying to find out what the government knows and holding the government or other "cover up" organisations to account.

And that process might not end well for the people involved in covering up. It would probably have quite a serious impact on the publics trust in government as well.

At least if they come clean now they get to have more control over the narrative rather than let events overtake them.

IMO there has got to be some other kind of life out there, it's naive to think otherwise, if we're here why not other life forms ? We can't be the only planet in the whole universe with life on it.
Isn't there pictures from Egyptians etc who drew aliens or something ?

Maybe back in the older times it was easier for them to cover up, but now, with everyone having a camera in their pocket at all times, it's easy for the general public to capture things, maybe that's why it's slowly coming out, because it can't be hidden any long.

I agree with a pp, if they were a threat surely we'd have known about it by now ?
Also the fact they couldn't reverse engineer the aircraft's technology speaks volumes doesn't it!

Last night I watched 'accidental truth' and it's all about this cover up!

If you gave someone in 1900 a microchip they wouldn't even know what it was for, let alone be able to reverse engineer it.

You could tell them it had something to do with electricity and they'd probably get that.

If it were say a logic gate, you could explain the maths to them on what tasks it would perform and they would understand that very easily (as would most people today). But they still wouldn't be able to replicate it.

I guess the point I'm making is that we could see a widget that flies and probably more than likely understand the maths and theories behind how it does that if it is explained to us.

But our chances of being able to replicate it could be quite poor, especially when we might be talking 1000s of years of technological gap compared with the 130 in the example earlier.

I'm sure there is, was or will be life somewhere out there it considering how vast the universe is and how short life has been around on earth compared to the age of the age of the universe, I think it's highly unlikely that we will ever come into contact with anyone.

@Appleofmyeye2023 they might have much more advanced technology though, like utilising wormholes to travel?

@GasPanic but they sent man to the moon in the sixties, they weren't that incapable if they could do that back then surely ?

These aircraft's came from somewhere, and the reports themself state not human made, so I don't think there is any denying other life out there

There wasn't much new science done in the moon landings IMO. It was basically engineering and the ingenious application of technology.

All the fundamental theories we used in getting there like gravity and electromagnetics we figured out years before. There wasn't much difference in principle between the rockets used and Chinese fireworks of the 1100s. Sure the scale was massively different and there were some significant engineering challenges, but the fundamental physical principles/science are the same. Sit on a big enough rocket for a long enough time and it will take you to where you want to go. There was a lot of ingenious stuff done - look up core rope memory (which has an added female angle!). But it wasn't new physics.

With UAPs, for something to go at say 300mph and then instantly turn and go 300 mph in another, we literally have no idea how to do that (in open world physics anyway). We don't have the fundamental theories on how it could be done, or any idea of the tech that we might use to do it. It's impossible within the limits our both our current theories/science and tech.

But why? It’s all down to motive..look at my other post and answer that

btw…wormholes🤣🤣🤣🤷🏼‍♀️

Especially with the exponential progression of technology!

@Appleofmyeye2023 you're the one taking it all oh-so-seriously so less of the condescension please.

I agree motive is key.

But do you think if there was an ability for people in the present day to travel in the past and say visit the Roman, Eygptian, Aztec civilizations or say see the dinosaurs there aren't any people that would find that interesting or want to do it ?