Aliens???

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What fucking next

Even Stephen Hawking believed there was practically no chance that humans are alone in the universe. If he believed in life elsewhere then that's good enough for me. The size of the [still expanding] universe blows my tiny mind. Our planet is minuscule, smaller than a grain of sand in a desert.

He also said if robots don't get us, climate change will. We'd do well to take heed. Still more chance of that than an alien invasion. That's the scariest thing.

Yes, I’ve been surprised by the lack of coverage.

It sounds like some of the craft are very different from each other - what if there’s more than one other form of alien life??

If any of it’s true that it’s just unbelievable.

Why would this be unbelievable the million of species on our planet? Diversity is normal and more believable

This was all over the internet and then denied

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/01/us-military-drone-ai-killed-operator-simulated-test

I dont disagree that there may be extraterrestrial life. I haven't given much thought to whether I believe its visited Earth.

I'd be more cynical and think that it's quite a convenient sideshow to distract from Top Secret aircraft and weapons development.

Maybe these countries use a certain reporting system. Maybe the person who created this map only referenced data and records in English or stored in a specific way. I would question the source of this data first of all.

That comment is about the map that suggests UFOs only being spotted in English speaking countries by the way.

I’m a STEM graduate and scientist- retired now

i think we have plenty of theories why life exists on other exoplanets- nearest likely candidate being 4.7 light years away.

but I think it’s an entirely different kettle of fish whether they could travel here, let alone have travelled here

1. based on our technology of space travel we’re talking 8,600 years to get here even from closest possible candidate
2. there are literally thousands of people watching the night sky as astronomers , both professional and amateur every single day, all over the world, using all sorts of instruments including old school lenses and visual light, to radar etc . We’d see anything coming towards us literally years out - but all we ever get is “ close encounters” within our atmosphere. People will say they will have to technology to evade detection- well f that’s the case why the hell stop that once inside atmosphere, not very logical is it? I don’t believe any conspiracies that a world full of astronomers have all been kept quiet
3. the sheer amount of energy to send any craft , especially manned, on a journey of that length is mind boggling if it had ability to escape detection years out. When we send craft into deep space we send unmanned craft, and use gravity to sling shot and little actual power - even a nuclear fission powered craft wouldn’t have the energy required to fly close to speed of light through that distance. The observed laws of physics and chemistry, and to an extent biology, are universal. Yep, we have theories on how stuff works,we revise, update theories all the time and there’s massive questions still to be answered in terms of quantum physics etc - but what we observe is universal and a lot of what we know on laws of physics and astronomy is based on deep space observations. We know black holes exist, we have a pretty good working theory on what they are and why, based on those universal observations . Those universal laws are just that-applicable to the whole universe. The basic chemical building blocks don’t change in different parts of universe, nor does gravity . Any alien technology still had to overcome those basic immense challenges of how to energise a craft to get here, keep the aliens alive and their biological life form resistant to effects of zero gravity and aging cells, and somehow magically not appear until they’re n earths atmosphere, get home again ( presumably 🤷🏼‍♀️).
4. The risks in doing that as any life form are immense - yep, unmanned craft I could buy into , quite possible if it was launched 1000s of years ago, but manned craft? Hmm , don’t buy it. There would be few people in this world ( aside from Elon musk types) that would give up their life to be put into some sort of suspensed life for decades to travel to find worlds with life forms, when they don’t know they exist ( well not for first visit !) or could have even more advanced technology then them to annihilate them instantly even years out.

it’d be a big shock to me if I’m wrong🤣🤣🤣🤣

I think we can only think in terms our understanding on energy and time. Longer living would not view travel distances as an obstacle

Oh, and other thing, there’s a hell of a lot of pieces of little bitty rock in orbits out there- take millennia to map all there orbits and it’s a constantly moving goalpost as they impact on each other.
you’d have to be pretty damned clever to be flying close to speed of light dodging seemingly random asteroids as small as a stone, that at that speed could cause an immense impact

I'm surprised by the lack of headlines.

Why don't aliens from other galaxies look more like humans? that's the bit that confuses me!

Universal laws are just that. Observation. Our theories may change to the whys and how’s, but universal laws still put up immense barriers.
yes, off course other civilisation will have different technologies and understanding- but they still have to overcome those universal laws , even ones we know about.

You'd be ignorant to think there's nothing else out there. Billions of planets and yet we're the only life form?

Yes it’s definitely more likely there is other life out there. But it would be so far away it would take light years/ trillions of miles to ever get here and that would be if whatever it was could travel at the speed of light. I just don’t see how anything would get here and then be under control.

Like most scientist, we take a lot of comfort in facts that whilst there will be other life forms, theres a big step then to life forms that can travel 4.7 light years to us, survive that, just for a bit of a day out at earth zoo? Let alone shipping an entire invading army over that distance, to a planet you don’t know has bigger guns than yours?

UFOs may be not be extra terrestrial, they may be here anyway but in another dimension or operating at a frequency that means they are mostly undetected.

Reports of the speeds and manoeuvrability of crafts spotted means that, if they do exist, they are using technology that we do not have, so space travel may not need the massive amounts of energy that we would need with our current technology.

Theories suggest anti gravity technology, some suggest there being deliberate alignment and manipulation of frequencies (which is interesting considering quantum physics discoveries).

I highly recommend the book Above top secret by Timothy Good. This contains factual statements from military personnel going back to the 1950s.

I personally think we are being prepared for the big reveal. Governments cannot hide this anymore. So something big is going to happen shortly.
They know thar the mass general public will go into full scale panic mode.
Can you imagine the hysteria on here!

I personally think we are being prepared for the big reveal. Governments cannot hide this anymore. So something big is going to happen shortly. They know thar the mass general public will go into full scale panic mode. Can you imagine the hysteria on here!

What would be the big reveal? that aliens do exist? Will that really can mass panic?

Well of course the public will panic. If the mainstream public believe the government's will protect them and we are 'safe'.It would lead to mass destabilisation.
Look how people reacted to Covid....

Many people will not contemplate existence of aliens. We’ve been conditioned to ridicule the very idea. Confirmation that they exist would be huge, and would be shocking to a great many people.

Add into that possible other factors, some believe that aliens had a hand in developing Homo sapiens, some believe there has been alien interaction with governments - a fairly well known story is that aliens gave humans the option of providing information about free energy, therefore protecting the planet and allowing humans to have much easier lives, but that this was turned down because governments and elites make too much money from energy consumption. All very conspiracy theory and easily dismissed as bonkers, but who knows? What if this were true? Can you imagine the resulting fallout?

I have to admit I had a chuckle at the comment on page one that "there's trillions of other planets out there." Yes it's technically correct but underestimating it significantly. It's the same as saying there are "dozens of other planets" - there are but it grossly understates the number. Quadrillions, quintillions, sextillions, septillions - none of them come close to reflecting the real number.

I think it's almost certain their is other life in the universe. 99.9% (recurring) sure. There's always an element of doubt because until we have proof we have to allow for the very slim possibility there isn't.

People make many mistakes in falsely equating our current lack of proof as meaning we are alone. One, the distances are huge. Two, life is likely to exist in many places, so there is no specific reason for an alien species to happen to visit us.

Three, think about how old this planet is. Humans have only existed for a tiny proportion of our planet's existence. For most of our history we wouldn't have recorded alien visits anyway. Further, it's only in the last century or so that we've been sending and receiving radio messages. Any messages targeted at us would have gone unanswered. Messages we've sent will take millenia to reach other civilizations and their responses will take millenia to come back. Assuming we can understand each other and the other civilization is at a point where they can and want to reply. Large areas of our planet are still empty and aliens could visit undetected. Yes we have radar and so on, but think about missing flight MH370 - we couldn't even track a plane reliably when it veered off course. A plane we knew existed and one which complied fully with our knowledge of physics.

It's remarkably unlikely that an alien race would decide to visit this planet in this solar system in this galaxy in this part of the universe at this point in time.

Let's make some sweeping and inaccurate assumptions. Suppose 1 in 10 planets are capable of supporting life. Of those 1 in 10 will actually develop life. Of those 1 in 10 will develop intelligent life. Of those 1 in 10 will exist for a few hundred thousand years without being wiped out by disease or asteroid impact or natural disaster. Of those 1 in 10 will have a civilization that evolves to the point of taking its first steps in space travel. Of those 1 in 10 will develop the capability to travel vast distances in space. We've already whittled 1 in 10 down to 1 in a million, and the real numbers would be much less than 1 in 10.

Life almost certainly exists out there but intelligent life which has the capability and interest in contacting us is likely to be extremely rare. We've never travelled beyond the moon. Next up is Mars. It will be a very long time before we would be capable of visiting another solar system, let alone cast the net much wider.

So, you want to debate how Steven Hawkins, Schrödinger, Einstein, Bohr, newton, Hubble, Ptolemy, Arno Penzias, Robert Wilson ( physics not embryos), Huygens, Messier, Annie cannon, Shapley, frank Drake, and all this worlds theoretical physicists and astrophysicists lacked the ability to contemplate or imagine our universe in all its possibilities to build are accumulated knowledge of universal laws of physics and chemistry?
rock on.
or are you a noble prize winning theoretical physicist , quantum physicist or astrophysicist so are speaking about your own inability to imagine and contemplate ? In which case please elaborate and educate us.
yep, there are infinite things we don’t know - but that is a big jump to stating “ “because we simply can’t ( imagine or contemplate )”
🤦‍♀️

Nonsense.
If aliens (of a supervising/human type) exist why is it any different than yesterday? Or the last few thousand years? If they've always existed what's the issue? What's the panic?
Clearly there is no threat so I'd carry on assuming that..

Many people will not contemplate existence of aliens. We’ve been conditioned to ridicule the very idea. Confirmation that they exist would be huge, and would be shocking to a great many people.

I disagree, I think a lot people don't believe in the green man abducting you to shove something up you a hole but many accept other life could be out there.

Really interesting thread, made for excellent reading when I woke up in the middle of the night.

So, you want to debate how Steven Hawkins, Schrödinger, Einstein, Bohr, newton, Hubble, Ptolemy, Arno Penzias, Robert Wilson ( physics not embryos), Huygens, Messier, Annie cannon, Shapley, frank Drake, and all this worlds theoretical physicists and astrophysicists lacked the ability to contemplate or imagine our universe in all its possibilities to build are accumulated knowledge of universal laws of physics and chemistry?
rock on.

I think personally there’s a lot of merit in the post you’re replying to there. Sure, we have had some great minds give their thoughts on this subject, but it may be that we are simply far less intelligent and developed as a species to even start to understand what’s going on, kind of like trying to explain the nuances of Shakespeare to a hamster- it’s just not equipped to even recognise the difference between the letter A and B let alone how even words are formed, and there still an awful long way to go after that.

So we may have a very long way to go. Think of our understanding of nuclear physics just a few hundred years ago (blink of an eye in cosmic terms) and it was effectively zero.

Given the distances involved I think any alien life would have to be so far beyond our current intelligence that’s it’s not really possible for us to get anywhere near the true answers on this.