to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

Well I hope they are planning to rebuild the multi storey car park I park my 1lt corsa in everyday because it was originally built in 1974 and won’t be able to hold the weight of 1000 electric cars plus charging points, the poor old thing would probably just collapse.

Looking for a new car at the moment and planning on spending more than usual in case it is my last proper car

Although I don’t think it will be

So, my terraced street, where you park where you can, will have a spider's web of extension cables hanging out of windows?! Back yards too small to park a car in so that's not an option!

You plan if you like OP. I don't see it happening by by 2030 so l have no intention of panicking. Electric vehicles just seem to switch out one problem for another. What we need is good, affordable public transport infrastructure, nationally.

I also don't think 15 minute cities or whatever they're called are a terrible idea, as long as the investment is made to provide the needed services (GPs, schools etc).

If wfh is not going to take off, then people perhaps also need to move away from the notion of working many hours away from home and work locally. This would hopefully, in turn, help to stabilise house prices/rents, as people would need to be able to afford living and working on their doorstep. Second homes/holiday lets could and should be heavily penalised to support this.

No. Government needs to start planning. This isn’t something individuals can sort. It’s an infrastructure issue and igpf the government are saying it must happen they need to make it possible. Campaigning shouldn’t be necessary. If they don’t make the infrastructure viable it simply will not happen. It can’t your idea that because a government has said it will it can’t be changed is hopelessly naive and unaware of political reality.

yes, he hinted at it the other day.

This is a UK law. The world can definitely make enough batteries for the UK.

We have an EV and live in a flat in Central London. We have no issues charging it. There are plenty of lamp post chargers in our area, and some fast chargers further afield.

I am a hilly two miles to a bus stop that comes three times a day in the middle of the day. It’s useless for school or work journeys.

Similar here. I'm 3 hilly miles to the bus stop and a 3.5 even hillier miles in a different direction to the nearest shop (which is tiny, only really useful for a loaf of bread and a pint of milk). We're very remote and the weather is often atrocious in the winter. It would be impossible to live here without a car. I'll probably be able to afford an electric car if push came to shove but some of my neighbours wouldn't. Wages are generally low in this area. So what are people who have lived their whole lives in this community to do? Move to a town/city? Will rural/remote areas only be for wealthy people in the future?

You must live somewhere where everything is easily accessible by public transport then

Central London though. I've never even seen a lamppost charger

They can and will amend legislation to suit.

Teachers, medical workers, care workers, hospitality etc etc. none of these can work form home. Without the infrastructure this won’t happen.

Maybe we should reintroduce the workhouse while we're at it.

I don't understand all this focus on cars when many people still fly abroad every year for one or more holidays.

At the time I write this 53% think YANU. The first responder completely misunderstood.

I think that neatly proves your point. YANBU.

This is where they really need to invest heavily into hydrogen cells.

the ability to fill up at the station will mean nothing major will change in how you use the car but means those not going electric (for whatever reason that may be) are not locked out of personal transport

I'm a construction project manager, and the electricity infrastructure is dire. I've just spent 18 months trying to get a response about an electricity supply for a new building. Finally received a PoC offer for around 10% of what we applied for. I can't power the building with that, let alone any EV charging. It will be FIVE YEARS until any more supply is available locally.

I have heard of other schemes in the region that are waiting 8 years for their supply to be available.

YANBU as a country we aren't remotely close to being ready.

Piecemeal charging infrastructure and the price of the cars is just a small part of the bigger picture.

We have nowhere near the capacity on the grid network for everyone to charge their cars and heat their homes via electricity to be net zero compliant as per the desired plans from up high.

Installation of renewal energy generation is opposed pretty much everywhere by locals who don't want to live next to it, we are skipping merrily into electricity blackout territory.

Plus, I'm sure there'll be a sterling market in "2nd hand" manual cars from other countries that have been in someone else's ownership just long enough to pass the "not new" test.

The government hasn't done enough to make this a workable reality before 2030, unless someone pulls their thumbs out of their arses it's not going to go well.

I fully believe my kids won't own their own cars but the infrastructure isn't here nor will be by 2030 to support all electric.

We live in a long terrace, like many many others in England at least. We rarely park outside our house, how would we charge it?

It will crash the economy as it's the average person who empty the bins, do nursing care and fix plumbing leaks. Shiftworkers who rely upon cars because there is not public transport late at night.

I'm not even touching upon the problems farmers face; what is the plan for tractors and field machinery, for example?

I think that the date will be pushed.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all lived in areas where there's great public transport > lots of bus routes, frequent buses; but we don't. Not everybody lives in London. And the idea of moving from rural areas to urban conurbations so we don't need private vehicles 🤔? How is that going to help the economy if we close down the countryside and only inhabit towns/cities?

I imagine it will be some sort of carbon allowance. We all get to pick what it’s spent on, flights, cars, meat, pets, clothes, goods etc but we only get so much.

Or more likely a form of tax on these good’s depending on how bad they are, pay per mile of driving and on the car, it will be expensive and no doubt not well received but I can’t see them banning any of these things altogether

The government needs to do a fuck tonne more to prep and make this happen. Same as with a load of other things. I say that as an EV driver.

It's very clear that most people commenting here have absolutely no real life experience of electricity cars.

Most younger people where I live live here precisely because they can't afford city rents / house prices. How are people supposed to be able to afford to move?

It'll make current economic woes look like a picnic if they push this through (so they won't)