to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

[JadeClade]

I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

The national grid isn't able to produce enough power for fast charging ...

The government needs to help investing into a working infrastructure before making big zero emissions feelgood promises.

Exactly, I am cringing for the OP! 😬 The lack of understanding and knowledge and sheer common sense from her is breath-taking.

New ones, yes, but after 2029, the prices of second hand ones are going to go through the roof - even people who have bought second hand before might not be able to afford to buy second hand again

people need to plan then for all the hcps, care workers, retail staff, etc that will leave their jobs because they can't afford to drive for their work. That will have an impact on those who can afford the new car.

I do think houses with off street parking will become more attractive in the long term though.

Naive or a wind up merchant? I am going for both!

Dh has an electric car for his work company car. He's had it about 6 months and he's sick of it and looking to give it back.

He has to drive a long way for work and needs to plan carefully where he will recharge, he has to get up earlier to allow for charging and it can be stressful if the chargers are being used or not working or someone has parked there blocking it..

Even when it's working well it's so much longer to charge than to fill up with fuel.

He had it plugged in at home the other night and had set it to charge overnight when the electric is cheaper and it failed so he was late for work.

Unreliable, inconvenient and the country is not set up for it, not even close to being ready

We’ll know for definite by 2025 as that’s when the OEMs will need to have definite plans to switch the production lines from diesel and petrol models to bEV and hybrid.

Some OEMs like Ford and Stellantis have already made soft commitments.

If we do stick to the 2030 deadline then most models predict a sharp drop off in use of ICE vehicles between 2040 and 2045 based on current average ages of vehicles on the road - so if you buy a diesel in 2028 you’ll be good for a few years!

I work for a major car manufacturer. 2030 my arse.. and I should know I am working on the electric vehicles. There is a long way to go yet. I would like to see some investment in public transport. I would use the train if it was reliable and affordable.

Assume that hybrids will still be allowed to be made and people can just drive them on petrol if they want

It’s a ridiculous target and it won’t happen. How many thousands of people don’t have off road parking. You can’t trail a cable across a pavement or across the road, round the corner to the nearest spot you could park your car. Has no one even considered that we don’t exactly make our electricity in the cleanest way in the UK? We’re still burning fossil fuels to create it so this isn’t the answer to our green problems. The grid couldn’t handle that many more electric cars on the road. The roads can’t handle it. The batteries can’t be disposed of. It is an absolutely terrible idea and someone will realise it before the deadline.

A lot of posters are making my point for me

We need to be planning for this - it is all very well sitting there typing out your complaints about how this really isn't going to work for you in your life.

That is exactly what I have started this thread about

We have to stop using fossil fuel, we are going to stop using fossil fuel, there is no discussion or argument about that.

One step in this transformation is the ban of all sales of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030

If this is going to cause you issues - now is the time to plan for it.

My whole point is - this is going to happen- some people are not in a position right now where they could cope with this change - so they need to make plans, and adjust their lives as appropriate

You have 6 years - if you are making decisions about where to live, where to work what schools to put your children in, in the next 6 years, then make those decisions with this in mind.

People are not doing so - hence my thread

You need to start planning!

@JadeClade what have you done then? except moved to a town?

Yep, and also this. Since COVID our bus service has been slashed and the bus stop moved to a busy road on a grass verge completely inaccessible to anyone in a wheelchair or infirm. We have disabled and elderly people completely cut off and reliant on lifts from others.

The council don't give a fuck about this direct disability discrimination though they're simultaneously wanting (and presumably wasting our council tax on) some kind of 15 minute city pipe dream. Good luck getting healthcare staff for the hospital if they can't use cars to get to work. They definitely can't afford to live nearby without a massive pay raise.

Whilst I can't see it happening for 2030, I go think there'll be work arounds such as more workplace and on street chargers, battery swapping stations (rather than charging), superfast charge points etc to meet the demands of people without their own charging points.

You're either very naive or a wind up merchant.

wind up merchant

This! Got it in a nutshell @PonkyPonky

Gosh OP you are gullible if you believe all the shite you are writing!It won’t happen in that timescale,if it ever does.

I would find something else to fantasise about.

I'm already on my local council and I'm afraid you're really showing your naivity here.

THIS! ^

The can will be kicked down the road like it was with the smart meter targets which the government set

You have 6 years - if you are making decisions about where to live, where to work what schools to put your children in, in the next 6 years, then make those decisions with this in mind.

People need to be thinking about schools now. Not because of cars but falling pupil numbers & lack of funding.

It’s not just those that live in flats, when are the charging points being fitted to every car park, office, row of terrace streets with up allocated parking? What’s happening to the 100k properties that are estimated to be off grid and will be unlikely to be able to charge a car for most of the time? Most car parks including motorway services have a very small percentage of charging points available currently.

Do we have enough electricity in the grid to be charging all these batteries at peak times? Or enough materials to make the batteries?

I am a hilly two miles to a bus stop that comes three times a day in the middle of the day. It’s useless for school or work journeys. I have solar panels and a wind turbine so I would like to be green but I’m not convinced this is workable

But you can still buy new hybrids from 2030-2040? We have a self charging one it’s great