to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

[JadeClade]

I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

How is that going to work for charging your when you live in a block with 170 flats in total and we all need to charge our cars!

Nope. The hybrids can only be made if they cover a 'significant distance' in electric mode, and the Government has yet to define 'significant distance', estimates on the internet is that it might be 80 miles, which will make most hybrids banned.

They are saying this is unlikely.

It just flats. Terraced houses too, and anywhere without a private drive.

Good for you.

My job is miles down country lanes. If I don't have a car, I can't get to work.

Do you , nice that you spared a thought for the disabled and the elderly or those isolated in remote areas.

All they said was they're glad to see fewer cars on the road. We're not even allowed to say that now? She's not stripping your license, seriously😂😂

I'm also happy to see fewer cars on the road. You can still drive yours and I hope that in the future, the disabled can still drive. I see lots of elderly people out and about on buses.

Can you advise how I get 600 mule gimmer lambs from high up in the Yorkshire Dales to the autumn breeding sales?

Train? Bus? Walk them down the A65?

Individuals in rural areas simply can’t plan for this. It’s societal and infrastructure change that would be needed. If that doesn’t come (and it won’t) the deadline will be pushed. It’ll have to be.

OP, I like the idea of electric cars but I live in a terrace in a city. It is near my kids' schools and we can both walk to work. There are streets and streets of terraces around me. We can't plan for electric cars on a individual level, unless we all move out of our houses (where to?). We need the government and councils to put in better charging provision. I'm not sure what else we can do?

Yeah it's ridiculous. There's someone with an electric car near me and they park on street and trail their wire over the pavement. Trip hazard.

I dont know how thats allowed to be honest

I've just picked a random area I know
None of these streets have off road parking and that's one tiny tiny area of one city
That'll work great for charging cars(!) and we will all be able to afford them

Oh but according to the OP, all us country folk/people who don't live in towns and cities, need to MOVE, so we are all close to everything - if we can't afford an electric car. 🙄

Even though i am aware even the prime minjster has said the date might have to slip. Its interesting that noone believdd the EU or UK rulings in the first place.

I had a vague idea they might meet the target but i wasnt really sure that many people bought brand new cars each year so i thought it would be gradual change over 25 years i suppose. But i think now more people buy new than i realised.

At the end of my road is a charging point. It is nearly always in use. This is the third charging point that has been put there in the last two years, the first two were completely destroyed, whether by accident or design I don’t know, but I have heard muttering of resentment at the charging point taking up a parking space on a very crowded residential road.

How will people in flats or estates with communal parking charge their cars?

There's almost 200 houses in this estate with no driveways, just shared parking (approx 200 spaces), part owned by the council and housing association. They didn't even respond to my email asking what their plans were to install every space with a charger. I suspect every local authority is sticking it's head in the ground about charging in communal car parks.

FWIW I'm a daft hippy to walks to work all year round and often carries the food shopping in a big ikea bag. But I need the car for kids activities, some school runs, visiting family and days out.

I think the real idea is that most average people won't have a car any more. If they said that people would go berzerk. So they are just making it totally impractical and expensive instead.

Where I used to live in a mid terrace urban road, no one had driveways and you were rarely able to park outside your own house. How will the people who live their now charge their EVs?

Well I like living in a rural area, very much. If I can't have a car (I can't imagine I'll ever have it want an electric one), I might start using a horse and cart.

I for one am pro electric cars and my next car will be electric regardless. However, your post comes across as almost gleeful that people will struggle at first.

Even IF electric cars became more affordable for families, unless our towns and cities massively upgrade their infrastructure, then your move is moot. Deprived and extremely affluent areas will suffer in areas like education where they rely on staff commuting because either they earn enough not to live there, or not enough to live there. If schools with little budget don't have the land to build more parking spots for electric vehicles, then school staff (especially TAs and admin who earn very little) will only be applying for jobs in their area.

Finding parking during the working week in many towns and cities is a nightmare, and that is with parking spaces packed in with just enough space. How will they manage when they need more parking space per car for the charging point. It means the public transport in commuter towns will need to be a whole lot better and more affordable, which means hiring and training more staff.

If people aren't sure they'll have a charging point, they will be less likely to engage in days out. Much better for pollution levels, but some seaside towns rely on day trippers as their main source of income.

Society is not set up for electric cars and politicians are too busy giving themselves pay rises to pour any real money into this initiative. I just can't see it happening in the next 10, let alone 6, years.

Most people can't plan ahead 6 years. They can barely plan ahead a week's shopping.
I'd be happy to switch to car shares tbh, we barely drive anyway. Would be nice to have proper safe parking for all the new electric cargo bikes though. They're a huge target for gangs of thieves. No point spending thousands of pounds on something you can't leave for 30min without coming back to find a portable angle grinder has gone through the locks like butter.

Do we have enough electricity in the grid to be charging all these batteries at peak times? Or enough materials to make the batteries?

No, we don't:

www.mining.com/hundreds-of-new-mines-required-to-meet-2030-battery-metals-demand-iea-report/

Can we just go back to owning horses, carriages and bicycles and reserve combustion engines for non personal use? (I may or may not be being facetious)

How will people in flats or estates with communal parking charge their cars?

They'll have to expand to petrol stations. Electric cars aren't a great idea

we cannot realistically have a society where every car takes half an hour to 're-fuel.'

And we cannot realistically have a society where people continue to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere every day.

So what are we going to do?