to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

[JadeClade]

I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

I’ve been looking at swapping my petrol to an electric car for the last 6 months. The issue for us is we live on a pedestrianised street, so the car is parked at least 10 metres from the house sometimes more. Also the closest public charging point is 6 miles away. I cover 40 miles a day just on the school run alone, not to mention driving 200-300 for work. No matter how I look at it, an electric car just doesn’t seem feasible at the moment without the infrastructure on our doorstep.

Of course there’s an option for it not to happen!

Reckon there’ll be some good deals on petrol and diesel cars in 2029, if dealers aren’t allowed to sell them after that date.

no, my thread title states that there will be no further new petrol and diesel cars sold as of 2030.

It isn't scaremongering - it is going to happen

I also read this. It will absolutely. It happen by then. Electric cars are far too expensive and it’s unclear how the second hand market with work with them/the longevity of them and the batteries.

I've read this too, the country will not have the infrastructure in place in 6 years to be constantly charging cars and the situation regarding the negatives of electric cars are being realised. They are very heavy and do a lot of physical damage to roads and the disposal of batteries is a time bomb for the future.

And the money for people to afford it!!

I live in a town, a town in an area of linked towns. The buses to the nearest 'city' which is sort of the size of a normal town, stop running about 6pm

Thats not going to get someone back from work. The trains are prohibitively expensive.

That's all well and good, but some jobs require you to be more rural. I actually wonder if we'll end up seeing an exception for e.g. farm workers like red diesel.
FWIW, I am trying to buy a property, and definitely going for a small house rather than a flat because of hopefully being able to have the option to charge an electric car.

We do have charging points at work- but at the moment we have 3 for a staff of about 150, many of whom need to drive in order to get to work (rural school). Although most of our staff probably can't afford new cars anyway, so I guess it's not very relevant to us!

New ones, yes, but after 2029, the prices of second hand ones are going to go through the roof - even people who have bought second hand before might not be able to afford to buy second hand again

We didn't get any post for a week recen6 when there was a diversion in place due to resurfacing works as the electric Royal mail vans covering our (very rural) area didn't have enough charge to complete the round if it included the diversion. The postie the week after told me they were already pushing the limit of what the van could do as it was for a normal round.

Farmers are quite worried because they will still need to use 4x4 and farm machinery to do the job properly.

Just a taster for those of us who live rurally about the absolute unthoughtout shit show this is going to be outside urban areas.

You will still be able to buy petrol and diesel the dates will slip - prices will go up though and already have. I aim to buy my daughter one in two or three years second hand and then we will go from there

and all the public transport services that have been cut and tfl investments paused due to lack of funding will somehow be in better shape & fit to cater for increased numbers in 2030?

Yes, big whiff of 'im alright, Jack' about this thread.
If everyone moves to your fabulous cities with public transport op, the prices will go up, possibly beyond even smug gits rates. Then you'd be up shit creek, eh.

Then maybe start to get organised, start campaigning for better public transport - you have two local elections before then - maybe stand yourself and get your local transport improved.

You need to start planning!

It won’t happen.

Lord above, OP. This is not a personal planning issue.

I agree very much with this. I am assuming my current car is my last petrol car but I am not doing anything until the world comes with a feasible plan to sort the way to charge so many cars and that car producers can find a way to charge the batteries faster, to increase capacity and make electric cars more affordable.

My bet is thar circumstances will force us back onto pedal bikes, better public transport coverage or that most of us will end up working fully from home. There is no way we can transition fully as a country to electrical cars no matter how urgent it is. Covid has shown us a different way to work, I think that the oil crisis will be sorted in a similar way.

We are retired and will be buying a new diesel car in the next few years, we have an EV but only as a runaround, it's not our main car.

What a daft ignorant ill-informed comment. So is everyone in the countryside and rural areas - and suburban areas and so on, with no-or poor public transport, supposed to all move to the towns and cities then, if they can't afford an electric car? What a stupid comment really! As a pp said, where the F is everyone mean to go? And are all the areas they leave going to just be ghost towns?

You need to stop @JadeClade You are embarrassing yourself on this thread now, and are out of your depth, with your clear lack of knowledge and understanding on this subject.

Electric cars are expensive new, but their residual value is poor, so you won’t get much when you sell it.

Put it this way: if it did happen it would wreck the economy and be political suicide for whoever is in charge.

How is us planning going to help those who live in flats? Or are set back from the road? Or industrial vehicles like tractors and HGVs and construction vehicles?

Where is all the electricity coming from to charge all these electric cars?

There have been campaigns round here for our local bus services. They cut them

They're also talkng about closingn the local hospital and only having the A+E 40 miles away, not doable on public transport because there is no direct route

I have a car and I will continue to have a car.

You're either very naive or a wind up merchant.

I can't charge an electric car, my parking space is nowhere near my flat
What about the rows and rows of terraces where you just park where you can? They can't charge a car either
I mean yeah great idea but not affordable, and not practical

I don't drive much but if I wanted to go to work by bus (it's 4 miles away) i would have to go into town on a bus to the bus station, back out of town on a bus, then a 15-20 min walk to work and it would take roughly 2hrs due to the timings
Same for Aldi which is 2.5 miles away. No direct bus