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to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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JadeClade · 25/07/2023 21:17

I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

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MasterBeth · 07/08/2023 00:23

NewNovember · 25/07/2023 21:37

Do you , nice that you spared a thought for the disabled and the elderly or those isolated in remote areas.

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The disabled, elderly and isolated would presumably be amongst those most likely to keep their cars. Fewer cars doesn't mean no cars.

MasterBeth · 07/08/2023 00:37

User19633654 · 27/07/2023 05:58

Unfortunately none of them are any good for towing a caravan, even if they do tow the weight, the mileage drops so low because of the extra weight you wouldn't get to many places and it is bad enough filling up with diesel while towing, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to faff about with a charging point if you could find one with a caravan on the back. We are also getting a motorhome or campervan sometime for touring but that will be diesel.

OK, fuck the planet. Someone on Mumsnet wants a weekend in their caravan.

Dropthedonkey · 07/08/2023 00:48

Presumably holidaying in a caravan is environmentally preferable to going via aeroplane?

OsirisservesAnubis · 07/08/2023 09:45

@MasterBeth so they should use their electric car to drive to the airport and fly on holiday instead then?!

MasterBeth · 07/08/2023 10:14

The climate emergency will force us all to change our behaviours immeasurably. We are talking a collapse in the climate systems on the planet, a breakdown of the food production cycle, spiralling temperatures, species devastation. The inabilty to take your caravan for a spin will really be the least of your worries...

MasterBeth · 07/08/2023 10:14

OsirisservesAnubis · 07/08/2023 09:45

@MasterBeth so they should use their electric car to drive to the airport and fly on holiday instead then?!

Thess are not the only two options available.

Moneynewpence · 07/08/2023 10:19

PuzzledObserver · 29/07/2023 12:49

There are no end of posts on here about people who can't park outside their own home on the road.
What do they do if they come home and the car needs charging and someone has parked, legally, in the space outside their house.
Where do they charge their car?

They park further down the road where there is a space near a charger. Or they use one of the apps which enables EV owners to contact one another to say they need to charge and request the other car move when it’s full. Or, they drive to a nearby rapid charger and get enough of a top up to see them through the following day and hope they can charge tomorrow night.

And, they get in the habit of not allowing their charge level to get so low that not being able to charge on any given night would be a problem.

Bet you have your own driveway. I often can't even park in my own street for days on end.
These charging points, when will they be put up all over?Who's worked out how to fit them all in terraced streets? Who's paying for the infrastructure?

Moneynewpence · 07/08/2023 10:21

Oh, and what if all the other EV drivers are not in fact saints on earth and tell them NO?

BorgQueen · 07/08/2023 11:11

I’ve got a year old mild hybrid, so it’s a 1 litre engine boosted by an electric self charging battery. I’m glad I didn’t buy brand new as the depreciation is horrific.
That’s as much as I’m prepared to do whilst we still allow massive engined supercars and Range Rovers/ huge pick up trucks and the ubiquitous Day vans that are EVERYWHERE at the moment - There are 5 within 500m of me!
DH drives a 1.6 diesel van for his work, it was bought 4 years old and will hopefully see him to retirement in around 6 years. There is No Way he could use an ev in the winter, he can get emergency call outs in a 30 mile radius and a battery wouldn’t last long in minus 5° with the heater / wipers and fan on full blast.
I say enjoy your caravan while still able, NOTHING we do in this country will have a global impact, or even a local one, better to have as long as we can living a normal life before we are forced to live miserable lives, unable to travel, car ownership for the rich only.

GasPanic · 07/08/2023 12:02

TBH I wouldn't be so concerned about the charging parking issue, it's solvable.

If though I lived in a leasehold property where there was allocated parking I would be worried about the potential for having the fees for charger installation forced on me by the freeholder - the typical sort of scam you come across on leaseholds.

LittleMissUnreasonable · 07/08/2023 13:30

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if after all these electric vehicles become the norm, the government suddenly has to "raise electricity prices" due to "supply and demand", so people are spending £60 to charge their £25k cars rather than £50 to top up their £4k cars with petrol.

megletthesecond · 07/08/2023 14:10

I've been speaking to our local councillors about this. They're sure the date will have to be pushed back as there's no sign of the council even planning how to convert all the ex council estates to electric charging, 150 spaces in my road alone. We're a modern town full of ex council estates that need chargers.

BorgQueen · 07/08/2023 15:51

Of course they will find a way to get extra tax once the majority go electric, just like they did with diesel, which is now dearer than petrol.

It will be a ‘renewables tax’ or somesuch to go towards getting rid of all those useless cars once the batteries give up.
I’ll only buy a full EV once solid state batteries become the norm, we’re years off that yet.

PuzzledObserver · 08/08/2023 12:25

@Moneynewpence if you’ve read all my posts, you’ll have seen me say several times that the Government needs to do more to ease, fund, mandate the installation of new charging points - in a wide variety of locations.

At the moment, it is largely being left to the private sector - and that’s not good enough.

I’ve been asked what the solutions are for drivers without driveways. I’ve indicated the diversity of potential solutions. I have NOT said they are there yet, or coming fast enough to meet the 2030 target.

And you’re right - some drivers are knobs. If they’re not cooperative over parking, they won’t be cooperative over charging either.

You mentioned you often can’t park in your own street for days on end - presumably you park in one nearby. Which may also have EV chargers installed.

helford · 10/08/2023 19:51

Hard to take any of this seriously now, Chinese EVs, most common make in UK is the MG, can be shut down remotely by China and as for "saving the planet" we have Virgin Galactic blasting people into space for fun, planning on dozens of flights each week.

There really is no point.

cadburyegg · 20/09/2023 22:22

I wonder if the OP is still feeling so smug tonight ☺️

IveHadItUpToHere · 20/09/2023 22:27

I thought about this thread when I was listening to the news this morning too.

PurpleButterflyWings · 20/09/2023 22:28

cadburyegg · 20/09/2023 22:22

I wonder if the OP is still feeling so smug tonight ☺️

Hmmm I wonder.. I, and all the other posters on here who said no WAY are petrol and diesel cars are going to be stopped in 2030. Was never gonna happen.

As I said on a thread yesterday...

Did people really think this was going to happen by 2030? It was a ludicrously short amount of time.

It was an unrealistic and farcical pipedream, and a fantasy. Also, electric cars are not necessarily that good for the environment! The electric does have to come from somewhere. More and more things being electric isn't going to necessarily be super helpful to the planet. None of this has been thought out with joined up thinking!

bellac11 · 20/09/2023 22:57

I havent seen the news, whats been said, that the target is scrapped?

User19633654 · 21/09/2023 06:48

bellac11 · 20/09/2023 22:57

I havent seen the news, whats been said, that the target is scrapped?

No it has just been moved to 2035 which put it level with a lot of other countries so it's not 6 years but 11, gas boilers have been moved also to 2035.

bellac11 · 21/09/2023 06:51

Gas boilers in new properties I take it, or is it if I replace a gas boiler after 2035 it needs to be...... what exactly?

Aprilx · 21/09/2023 06:57

JadeClade · 25/07/2023 21:30

I think it is a great thing that the number of cars on the road will be reduced.

I am not sure why you think people will give up having a car altogether. Confused

User19633654 · 21/09/2023 07:00

That article says that the ban on sale of new gas boilers remains at 2035 but I thought the ban was originally 2030 as we were planning on get a new one just before then. About 20% of houses will be able to keep gas boilers in 2035 if it costs too much for alternatives and getting your house up to scratch, not quite sure of the details of this. Who know what the alternatives will be in 2035

User19633654 · 21/09/2023 07:07

bellac11 · 31/07/2023 08:00

I heard on a news programme I had on in the background yesterday that Sunak has confirmed that he has no plans to move the 2030 deadline

What that immediately says is 'the deadline will be moved'!!!!!

You were right

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