to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

So why do some ferry companies not allow them on, they allow normal cars, I do worry about mine catching fire but unlikely on the drive I suppose, Electric bikes are a fire risk, we have those as well

The "ferry" that banned EVs was in fact a cruise ship with 9 spaces for cars. The story gained wide publicity before anyone checked the facts.
Some of the Irish ferries now have on-board charging.

The TINY number of people championing these lumps of scrap electric vehicles are forgetting one salient piece of information - ya know, apart from the fact many people don't have their own driveway for the charging point - AND they are no good for long journeys - AND there are nowhere NEAR enough charging points, ANYWHERE - AND they have been proven to be dangerous...

Apart from the above...

MOST PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD £30,000 FOR AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE. Are people not getting this basic simple fucking fact?!

I am in my late 50s, and have a 9 year old Vauxhall Astra. When THIS packs up I shall be having another fucking petrol car. STOP trying to shove your electric shit-tips down my throat.

DO NOT WANT.
WILL NOT HAVE.

This is like the smart meters fuckery. Energy companies forever trying to goad and bully people into them, when they neither need them or want them... and they're often more trouble than they're worth.

I don't have £30,000 for an electric vehicle, and like hell am I getting into DEBT for one. DH feels exactly the same. I am not moving away from my rural village either. Fuck that.

@User19633654 · Today 12:10

One has just set a container ship on fire, looks like at least 1 dead and several casualties, don't some ferries refuse to carry EVs.

Jeeez, and people are actually desperately trying to promote these shitheaps?! NO. Hell will freeze over before I would EVER have one! (Even if I COULD afford it!)

There are reasons why people won’t use bikes. If you’ve ever ridden a motorbike you’ll know.

*When you go somewhere you have bulky safety gear to lug around, not just a key to slip in your pocket. It’s hugely inconvenient.

*You’re limited in what you can take with you. Maybe a packed lunch, but certainly not a laptop and a pile of paperwork, or another person. Especially not a child or elderly person. You definitely can’t do your shopping.

*The weather in the UK is unreliable. Riding a bike is red hot in summer and freezing cold and wet in winter. Wind chill is a problem. You will struggle to travel more than a mile or two unless you have serious protective gear. You also can’t travel more than about 30mph unless you’re fully geared up. It’s downright dangerous when it snows and you have to leave the bike at home and get the bus for a couple of days.

*You will never look nice if you go anywhere on a bike. The helmet ruins your hair and makeup. You can’t wear a skirt or dress or heels unless you pack them and change when you arrive.

*Accidents are a worry. You aren’t protected in a steel box, if a car hits you you’re toast. There’s a reason that hospitals jokingly refer to bike riders as “organ donors”.

*The personal safety aspect is concerning. For example you can’t safely stop at traffic lights late at night if you’re a woman on a bike. In a car you can’t get jumped - not so on a bike.

I used to be a motorbike rider. It was cheap and easy to park. But I stopped because of all these inconveniences. If people aren’t riding motorbikes now, what makes you think they’ll ride electric bikes?

I am dyspraxic. Cannot ride a bike, I would end up dead. Many people can’t ride bikes for a variety of reasons.

Totally this!

@Archeron that is very true about bikes, we have e-bikes and normal bikes and I must admit I thought that e-bike target market was retired folk like myself to use for leisure, we take ours on holiday and also go for bike rides, I wouldn't want to use them for stuff like work or shopping for the reasons you state.

100% this. Well said @justgettingthroughtheday !!!

Forgot to quote the post!

@justgettingthroughtheday · Today 01:02

Electric cars are greener. Wrong! They are not!
Batteries last the lifetime of the cars. Wrong they won't!
Old batteries in old cars have a second life as home battery storage so are completely recyclable. Wrong they will be dead!
The infrastructure is constantly improving.
People who can't afford new don't need to worry as they won't have to buy for another 20-30 years. Wrong! Very few cars are economical to run beyond 20 years.
Electric cars are simpler and easier to repair. Wrong! They are not!

Sadly it's not me that's deluded as all the above is fact. Almost every one of your posts here have been incorrect. The only people deluded on this thread is yourself @Lunar270

100% this. Well said @justgettingthroughtheday

Cargo bikes exist. I can fit 4 children on mine, 3 in the bucket and 1 on a seat at the back.

I can also take loads of stuff in it, more than in the boot of a lot of small cars. I can easily take a full shop.

A new astra (ice) is over 26k and you can get an electric mg or nissan leaf for the same price/slightly less

I have no idea if electric cars are right for the environment or how achievable the infra structure is

But i cant afford a new ice astra either.

I buy what i can afford out of what is available. I dont get much say over it really.

The Luddite energy is strong with this one...

I’ve just looked at e-bikes. It says “comfortable pedalling with electric assistance”. So I still have to pedal? Then it’s a complete no. I’m not in good enough health to pedal and neither are many others. My 80yo parents certainly aren’t going to be pedalling a bike! Transport needs to be completely non-physical and insulated from the elements. Even a cargo bike is going to be too cold and wet, and as I said you can get jumped. I would happily drive a little electric bubble with two seats, which is warm and dry and safe. But bikes are just a no from me.

I'm not convinced they are going to 'go through the roof', there might be slightly more value in a second hand petrol car than there is now, but the infrastructure for electric cars will be better. I don't think there will be the mad rush for petrol cars that you are expecting because in order to make this work, they are going to have to massively improve infrastructure and prepare people for it.

There will be a short period where petrol cars are worth a bit more (because people don't like change) but it won't be astronomical.

It was in response to your first two points.
I know e-bikes are not for everyone. They can replace a lot of < 5 mile journeys (59% of car trips!) if the UK invested a bit more in cycling infrastructure.

We had a whole car transporter of them go up in smoke locally.

Genuinely interested to know the truth about this- can you share a reputable source on this?

https://www.fia.uk.com/news/calls-for-people-to-be-evicted-from-bristol-tower-blocks-for-causing-fire-hazards-with-mobility-scooter.html

The charging times arguments on here remind me of the dishwasher timings arguments.

remember a thread where several MNers claimed they’d never have a dishwasher because it took at least 1.5hours to do the same amount of washing up as they’d do in 30 minutes. Other posters came on and said but loading the dishwasher takes the same time as carrying dirty dishes to stack by the side of the sink, then you go do something else while it cleans them, then you put them away, which takes the same time as putting dishes away from the draining board. The anti-dishwasher posters wouldn’t have it that it wasn’t more efficient to let a machine wash up while they went do something else.

Anyway, on a long journey of more than 300miles, I’m going to need to stop for a toilet break, possibly buy a coffee. Then go fill my car with petrol, which would only take 5 minutes - 10 if I have to queue for a free pump. Set against that, if I was driving an EV, I assume I’d just plug it in at a parking space, go find a loo and coffee and then at most have 5-10 minutes left to wait for the car.

one of the advantages of EVs - presuming that with increased numbers comes increased public charging spots - is that I can do something else while the car is charging. Set it charging in the car park at the leisure centre while the kids have swimming lessons, come out and it’s done. Set it charging when I’m inside the supermarket anyway, or in the work car park. You don’t have to supervise your car charging.

perhaps I’m particularly organised, or maybe I live in an area with a lot of EVs already so there’s a lot of public chargers around here and the rest of you don’t see them when out and about, but I can’t see it being many times in a year I’d have to set the car charging and not be able to use the time to do something else I’d be doing anyway.

Actually as posting that - realised there’s another option - when I think “well I park at Sainsburys for 20-30 minutes weekly anyway, I’d just a different bay.” Perhaps you lot are all like Supermarket sweep when you hit the supermarket and scoff at the idea of being parked up for 20 minutes to do a family shop….

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Gas is 43% at present

Electric vehicle prices will come down and charging points will be put in petrol stations, car parks and many people will carry on with petrol and diesel cars which will still be considered new for a few years after the ban of selling new ones.

The roll out of EV fast charge points are not happening at the rate required, either in the work place or in supermarkets.

Around me, only Tesco has 4 points, across 3 small Cornish towns & 6 supermarkets, they are usually full, so demand is there, i believe the local grid cannot support more, due to cable size.

Nat Grid (formerly Western Power) postponed rollout of switching to EVs because of lack of infrastructure.

So unless we get our acts together (v unlikely considering what else is wrong with the UK) the 2030 target will be missed.

shame is modern car engines could be made even more "Greener" but that wont happen as the focus is on EVs.