to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

That’s a fair point. I live on a new build estate, and while all the properties have off street parking, for some it’s not adjacent. So the proportion which need a solution is a bit higher.

But still not impossible, surely?

Blocks of apartments with allocated spaces usually have some visitor spaces. If those had chargers, they could potentially be used by residents as well to charge e.g. when the visitor comes, they use your space and you use a visitor space.

Or something.

Its a mixed economy solution we need.

Yes, of course the Tesla is cheaper, if you count (new) purchase price + running costs over a few years (compared with a new ICE). Sit down and do the calculations.

The evidence on the batteries are pretty good. The degradation rate is very predictable, and is very very slow for the new iron phosphate batteries .

The chassis? Mostly aluminium, as it's light and can't rust. Said to be built to long haul truck standards, but I haven't seen the evidence on that.

Yeah, some of the plastic trim might eventually break, but if the car is going to last, it makes it worth replacing. Having said that, the black faux leather seats in the Teslas seem near indestructible.

May be you should read up and learn about the eCTV planetary system first, your literally arguing about some thing you know ZERO about and claiming to know its unreliable and unstable. 😂

So what is the expected lifespan of the engine?

😂

https://pressroom.toyota.com/lessons-learned-the-million-mile-tundras-influence-on-the-tundra-of-today/

It's more unstable than a good battery and electric motor.

Please explain how the eCTV does away with the laws of physics?

I'm not arguing physics, I'm arguing real world use and facts they are the most reliable cars on the road. Do you claim this is not a fact?

Everything you have said is correct. The competition for electricity and battery storage is also coming from house building, warehousing and high speed rail. Perfect storm of demand and lack of supply.

Plus the UK is now broke. No more cheap money.

Great. One truck does a million miles. You get a sticker if you do 500,000 miles. Wow!

For the Tesla, 500,000 is the expected bare minimum.

I'm sure it's great for an ICE.

One has just set a container ship on fire, looks like at least 1 dead and several casualties, don't some ferries refuse to carry EVs.

@LameBorzoi Any way as your trying to derail the original argument, which was may i remind you. That Toyota hybrids are not the worst of both worlds.

You quoted me to say I was wrong, so please keep to the original augment not try turn this into an EV vs ICE argument it was not.

Just be a good sport and acknowledge you were WRONG! 😂

Rates of fire in EVs are far lower than ICE. Hybrids are even higher than ICEs.

ICE vehicles don't generally spontaneously combust

Oh yes Tesla, reliability 😂

https://www.osv.ltd.uk/is-tesla-reliable/

According to the latest report from the consumer website Which? Tesla is not the most reliable manufacturer of vehicles. In fact, in its 2020 report, though the vehicles produced inspire a great amount of passion in their drivers, the vehicles themselves are felt to be ‘some of the biggest fault magnets you can buy’.
There have been many reports of Tesla’s unreliability over the years since the first Model S rolled off the production line, however with considerably more Teslas on the roads in the UK now, thanks to the popularity of the affordable Model 3, reports of dependability and breakdowns have become more common.

So it still doesn't have an expected lifespan that's longer than the Tesla's, and it's still more expensive than the base model Toyota?

Which part of that have you disproven?

Again Tesla "Lifespan" 😂

https://www.topspeed.com/tesla-reliability-and-repair-costs-the-true-story/

The vast majority of Tesla "faults" are software glitches/ upgrades, which are automatically updated over the air- you don't really notice this, as a driver. For physical faults that need actual physical attention, Tesla have one of the lowest rates.

Nice defence but I don't want a car with any faults, hence why I stick with reliable cars. Enjoy your Tesla, its impressing no one 😊

And please stop playing "Tesla bingo". It's really, really boring.

You'll be talking about panel gaps next (which not a thing unless you purchased one of the early cars built in California).

This is clearly the answer. Very scenic, and our roses will be fabulous! 😄

Hey no need to justify your over spend on a crap make. Ill leave you now to your over priced unreliable bag of crap 😅.

Have a lovely day 👌

All cars have faults. No manufacturing system is perfect. I haven't noticed any issue with my car at all, but if you are making 1000s of cars a year, there will be a certain number with faults.

As the number of fossil cars reduces, it’ll become ever harder to buy fuel - and the price will rise. so the transition won’t take decades.

it’s hard to imagine this change but it will come. We need a govt that gets right behind e-bikes tho - they can replace cars for SO many trips and once we have decent safe bike infrastructure they will revolutionise how many of us get about.

Sorry but you're wrong there. ICE cars spontaneously combust all the time. They're a much higher risk. However, EV fires are harder to deal with.

Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has shown that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.

thedriven.io/2023/05/16/petrol-and-diesel-cars-20-times-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-evs/#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20common%20disinformation%20about,than%20petrol%20and%20diesel%20cars.