to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

This. ^ ... From his point I am actually ignoring @Lunar270 I cannot BELIEVE the sheer ROT she is spouting. It's worrying that someone may actually believe her!

@LameBorzoi Funny I'm still waiting for you to give me some actual In-depth reply as to why a Toyota hybrid is still the worst of both worlds?

It seems you have zero evidence to back up your post. Being one of the most reliable cars' on the road with excellent mileage, all facts by the way.

Why is its worst of both worlds, some facts and details would be nice not just one liners.

This. ^ I am SO sick of life some days. Constantly battling against the elements, and the cost of living/energy prices/petrol prices..,

Also worrying about the NHS, not being able to get a GP appointment, no fucking NHS dentists left anymore, mortgage rates sky high, rent for a shitty private let is £1000+ a month, when it was £550 four years ago, and now this trying to force fucking electric vehicles on us.

Well yeah OK then, we'll all have one for FREE, and we all need our own electric charging point. Until you can come up with that (whoever is trying to force this cunty thing on us,) then FUCK OFF!

I don't know about this new automobile thing, where will we get petrol for them all? Horses are much better because grass grows on the side of the road.

I manage a major infrastructure project for a living.

What have I said, that is incorrect? 🙄

What, compared to the unverifiable clap trap that you posted on page one and keep blurting out.

I'm happy to go through each one of your statements in detail if you like. But ignoring is potentially easier for you because you're just going to look a bit silly.

So when are you going to bring any intelligent and informed facts to this discussion?

All you do is reply sarcastically to every one with no facts of your own Mmmmm.

Who put 50p in the idiot?

@LameBorzoi most people don't do it themselves though. But they still need to follow the service schedule so warranty isn't affected

It's all a big massive con, just like the government itself

Disclaimer - I’ve been driving an EV for 2.5 years and I love it. I have a home charger, which is by far the easiest option, as I plug in and charge on a cheap overnight rate whenever I need to. With a range of over 300 miles in summer, 250 in winter, realistically the only time I need to use public charging is when I’m away from home. So I’m in the bracket for whom charging is not an issue.

What about the rest?

Around 65% of UK homes have off street parking, and the 35% that don’t will include a higher proportion of non-car owning households. So say 70% of car owning households have off street parking.

The average car does around 8,000 miles a year, and with middling EV efficiency that’s going to need 2,500kWh of electricity. On a 7kW charger that’s 360 hours of charging, just over 7 hours a week.

So if a workplace has 100 employees bringing a car to work, 70 of them can charge at home, the other 30 can meet their charging needs by plugging in one day a week at work. If the workplace can provide 6 chargers, it would, at a stretch, cover the charging needs of the whole workforce. Call it 10 to avoid contention and help out visitors.

You don’t offer free charging at work - you make it cost of the electricity or just a bit more, that will dissuade those employees who do have home chargers from using the workplace ones, and leave them for the people that need them.

Of course, not everyone can charge at work, but a similar ratio applies to other car parks where people leave cars for long periods of time. If 1 space in 10 has a charger, that will be more than enough. Probably 1 in 20 would do.

There also need to be more high-power charging facilities - and government needs to get its finger out on that and provide both policy and investment for grid upgrades, planning etc, to remove the bottle necks which currently exist. That’s where the main thrust of the ‘forward planning’ needs to be. At the moment, those are mainly on major roads to cater for drivers on long journeys. They could also be added to some or all petrol stations, and they then become an alternative solution for local residents without off street parking.

Technology is improving all the time - new battery technologies which are both more energy dense and faster to charge are coming. Prices are coming down - you don’t have to pay £30K for an EV. Quite apart from the fact that you don’t have to buy a new car - you can now get an entry level family size EV with a range of over 200 miles for around £20K.

By 2030, I think there’s a good chance you will be able to buy a family EV with a similar range to today’s petrol models, with a faster charging speed (add 300 miles in 20 minutes), for much the same price as a similar spec petrol car today.

Now let's just start with this corker.

For starters, legislation isn't for everyone to own an electric car by 2030. Please do post the factual legislation that stipulates this. You probably can't because you've completely misinterpreted government plans 🤦

Noone needs £30k to buy one as there are used examples, just like other cars. There'll be more by 2030 as well.

EV's can take 18 minutes to add 300 miles. Or 6-10 hours. Does a toilet break on the motorway take much less than 18 minutes? 6-10 hours is fine if you charge overnight, or at work, shopping mall or any other place where you spend time not driving.

I think I need to ignore you really as it's clear your understanding is completely off.

Read my previous posts. Plenty there.

@PuzzledObserver I think the issue is what off road parking counts as
I have off road parking, but it's nowhere near my home. Apartments have off road parking but it's usually a giant car park not near to charge

I don't need many words, because it's very very simple.

The good thing about EVs is that they are simple, with far fewer moving parts than an ICE. No high pressure, high temperature systems. This makes them less likely to break, and you don't really need to service them.

Hybrids have an engine. This means that you have to service it. You also need a gearbox ( breakable and expensive) which EVs do not need.

All these extra parts and the battery make them more expensive than an ICE to buy. If I were buying an ICE, I would buying it because it was cheaper than an EV. If I buy a hybrid, I'm spending more money, but I'm not getting the advantages of not having an engine.

No, Tesla recommends changing the cabin filter yourself.

There is one big point nobody seems to be talking about here . The fact EVs won’t last near anywhere what diesel will last , all my previous diesel cars lasted over 200 000 miles one over 300 000 , not to mention they did 60 mpg and where a bargain to run so in reality we will need to change cars more often meaning more batteries , more slavery and more waste . Anyone thinking EVs are the future really has been brainwashed .
Not to mention I had to pick a hybrid as my last car as no diesels are being made , so despite being “greener “ it consumes so much more , so I’m using 40% more petrol than I did diesel.

My Tesla Y with an iron phosphate battery is expected to last for 500,000 to 1 million miles.

@LameBorzoi definitely varies between cars! Another brand is serviced every 2 years/21k and needs the pollen filter and brake fluid doing and then the standard checks of brakes/tyres etc
Cheaper obviously than most servicing but still around £250 at a main dealer

@LameBorzoi
Oh where do I start 🤔

I asked you about Toyota hybrids specifically,

Toyota Hybrid Transmissions – No Gears, No CVT Belts.
Toyota Hybrids – No Starter
Toyota Hybrids – No Alternator
Toyota Hybrids – No Timing Belt
Toyota Hybrids – No Accessory Belt
Toyota Hybrids – No Conventional AC
Toyota Hybrids – No Turbochargers
Toyota Hybrids – No Power Steering Pump

Toyota has built its reputation on quality, durability, and reliability. They are the most reliable cars on the road fact.

Mine have brilliant mileage and 10 years warranty and is one of the most reliable cars on the road fact.

So I`ll ask you again what is the down side?

You still have a complex, high pressure, high temperature system. An engine, fundamentally, runs on a series of small, contained explosions that is transmitted into rotary force. That is inherently an unstable system. No amount of stuffing around the edges changes the basic physics of the situation.

That’s such BS , EVs still have massive issues , mist if my colleagues have EVs and one just had their car catch fire , most fixes are more expensive than a fuel car since nobody will touch them apart from the main dealer . The reason people are forced to have hybrids is because diesel where discontinued on most brands so we are trying to keep the fuel price down ( and still being ripped since most cars are nit more economical than a a diesel ) .
EVs are in no way suitable for rural locations , telling me they charge 200 miles in 20 minutes won’t solve anything since 20 minutes is still 10 times longer than it takes me to fill up a tank and do 800 miles . 200 miles is also what lots of us rurally do in a single day so exactly how is it paying £20 or more a day to change a car cheaper . Not to mention the pay per mile charge will eventually be here .

Timing belts - well, however you do it, you still need to get fuel, air, electricity, and a piston in the right place at the right time. That's complex.

Gears? An engine has to spin at a high speed before it can provide torque. If you want the engine to provide energy at low speeds, you need some kind of translation system. Electric motors don't need that. They can provide torque without excess rotation.

But will it last ? If I’m made to go EV Tesla is still my go to followed by Toyota so that’s good to know . But I’m still not convinced is in any way cheaper

So the proven history and fact that they are the most reliable cars on the road, is some thing your completely ignoring. Yet you seem to claim they are inherently an unstable systems but history and facts state other wise.

Your sating they are unreliable but real world reliability and facts say otherwise.

As a consumer they are perfect for low fuel use, highly reliable and brilliant warranty, affordable.

You cannot argue black is white if you have nothing to back it up, IE real world live data to share.