to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

[JadeClade]

I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

Apparently about 1.5 million new cars on the road each year out of about 33 million or so cars.

Your car is heavier than an ICE, and has a smaller engine.

It requires servicing, which an ev does not.

It's way more complex than either, so more parts to fail.

I agree with you completely.

Same with village schools. Around here, every village had it's own primary school. They've all closed so the one remaining village primary school has pupils from miles around. Narrow/winding country roads which don't even have pavements, so walking/cycling is out.

Same with village libraries, shops, GP surgeries, pubs etc. All shut down. No buses between our nearby villages.

So car it is then!

Toyotas are the most reliable cars on the road and how is my 1.8 small, my partners is a 2.0l. That's a fact.

Saying Ev`s need no servicing is total bollocks.

Toyota makes the worlds no 1 most sold car which is a hybrid for a reason.

So how is it worse? please give some detail instead of hyperbole bullet points.

Yes, indeed, and the average life of a car is 13 years, which includes "early" write offs in accidents and those scrapped "early" due to bad driving or excess mileage. A new car registered today could well last 20+ years if looked after, driven no more than average mileage, and not written off in an accident.

If they stopped manufacturing and selling petrol/diesel by 2030, do you think that more people will import new cars?

Price will determine how soon EV's are compulsory, the price of both vehicles and recharging. It always comes back to price and the investment in a more comprehensive network will have to be paid for by the consumer. Society is not able to get fully electric (including hydrogen for that matter) before 2030. Realistically it is a decade or two beyond that.

<span class="italic">A Giant Oak stood near a brook in which grew some slender Reeds. When the wind blew, the great Oak stood proudly upright with its hundred arms uplifted to the sky. But the Reeds bowed low in the wind and sang a sad and mournful song.</span>

"You have reason to complain," said the Oak. "The slightest breeze that ruffles the surface of the water makes you bow your heads, while I, the mighty Oak, stand upright and firm before the howling tempest."

"Do not worry about us," replied the Reeds. "The winds do not harm us. We bow before them and so we do not break. You, in all your pride and strength, have so far resisted their blows. But the end is coming."

As the Reeds spoke a great hurricane rushed out of the north. The Oak stood proudly and fought against the storm, while the yielding Reeds bowed low. The wind redoubled in fury, and all at once the great tree fell, torn up by the roots, and lay among the pitying Reeds.

Better to yield when it is folly to resist, than to resist stubbornly and be destroyed.

They do it every single day. So does every single driver of a petrol car. Its called a tank of fuel 😂

So yeah, there won't be any problems getting a few gallons of petrol.

https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-law-regulation-requirements
The EU is on the case.
Last year in France there were 300 chargers faster than 100kwh. Now there are over a thousand. Many of them have roofs to provide shade, with solar panels on top.
There are intiatives to support small EVs in cities.

Ah, they will just buy a second hand EV instead of a second hand ICE vehicle.

🙄

Yes, of course, plenty of countries are still manufacturing them and havn't imposed a 2030 ban.

That's nice for you Ms I'm All Right Jack - but my healthcare clients who live in isolated rural areas are still going to need healthcare and there isn't the charging infrastructure there for me to switch my vehicle to electric (unless you want me taking a massively long lunch break on the ONE charger point I pass on my rural patch) or walking 50 miles home... and I don't get paid enough to switch either.

To be fair - I'd totally pay to see a bus full of sheep. Would be amusing... and probably smelly.

How easy is it for everyone in a family to both live by work? Honestly?

The main reason I'm not considering a EV ( apart from cost) is that I couldn't do a 170 round mile trip on the M25 without a charge. Would ok if fully charged first and there was clear roads, but add an accident and some crawling and you might get tight on charge.

However leave it another 5-20 years they will improve a lot. Still won't put a charger outsides mum victorian terrace or my rented house. 4-6 charging points at Clacket Lane.

Nice idea, no infrastructure.

@LameBorzoi EV cars still require servicing

Can’t see it happening myself like many things these governments jabber on about that don’t come to fruition!

If you are stuck in traffic you use regenerative braking and you do not consume range.

Well people have probably already said this, but it's worth pointing out that these days cars last.

My car is 11 years old and still going strong. The bodywork doesn't rust like it used to. In cuba they kept old cars running for years.

My guess is you will still be able to buy half decent ICE cars right up to 2040 and beyond, even if they aren't new.

Probably at some point though it will become so hard to get fuel as all the petrol stations shut down that people won't actually want them.

It will be a gradual change, not a cliff edge because ICE cars aren't being banned, just new sales discontinued.

Don't be ridiculous. We both know that's a tank of fuel is different to ordering 30L of filled Jerry cans.

Here's their surprisingly long list of banned items, which ranges from chocolate to flammable goods to petrol tanks (full or empty)
https://www.dpdlocal-online.co.uk/prohibited-items

They're not going to risk a spillage or an accidental spark.

@JadeClade Not going to happen.

To all the EV deadline enthusiasts, you have zero clue about what it takes to build infrastructure building new sub stations, replacing all the existing wiring infrastructure, the work force needed to build the infrastructure, the cost, the planning, the pre works surveys, the sheer scale and applications needed to install all this infrastructure and time scale.

There is a lack of construction workers in the UK, there is a lack of building materials in the UK, there is a lack of trained electricians capable of doing this work, there is no money to roll this out and the surveys alone should have started 10 years previously.

Not going to happen in my life time I assure you, EV is a niche market and will be for decades unless they develop and produce sustainable batteries with sustainable materials cheaply with 1000+ miles min, that's not going to happen for years and years (when we all died of old age).

I have never spent £5k on a car. My latest was £1800. It has a range between 10 min (at most) refueling of 500+ miles. It is 20 years old and has done over 200,000 miles and remains legal and roadworthy. What is the range of your £5 k electric car (assume it's a Leaf or Zoe or similar)?

Not really. I own an EV. Tyres need rotating and changing, similar to an ICE. Windscreen wiper fluid. Cabin air filter every few years, most of which I can do myself. That's about it.

You sound like those people in 2005 who kept talking about how this smart phone thing wasn't going to take off.

The problem will be fuel...... why import and have the facilities to sell as we do now, for a product with diminishing sales?

Either got to up the price (& will make more switch to EVs) or reduce the number of outlets.

The issue is how to charge millions of EVs when so many people do not have off street parking....