to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

We don’t burn regularly coal for electric in the U.K. We fired up one coal plant for two months in the depth of the Ukraine energy crisis, but that was it.

Half our electric comes from zero carbon green tech. The next largest is from burning natural gas.

Surprising that so many people are scoffing at OP and merrily declaring it won't happen any time soon, when it is literally already happening now. Massively popular/all time bestseller petrol models are already being discontinued - VW Golf, Ford Fiesta etc. So the range of "affordable" new petrol cars is already shrinking, which will rapidly push up the cost of buying both old and new petrol cars.

I live rurally and I agree that it's not really possible to manage without a car unless you're within walking distance of a railway station and don't have to travel between towns or villages. Really not an option for care workers and NHS staff round here to go carless.

We're switching to EV now having driven our £300 2006 estate into the ground. It's been a trooper. I'm all in favour of driving older cars until they die - for those who can't afford an EV that's a perfectly respectable way of reducing emissions, although at some point clean air's got to be a priority too.

Bloody hell, I'm lucky to get a car parking spot at work but there are no charging points! And a quick google showed that at the end of June 2023, there were 44,408 electric vehicle charging points across the UK. I don't think that is going to cover us! I suspect you may live somewhere that has more than average amount of charging points!

There are about 30m cars in the UK and only 60k public charging points. No chance we are going fully electric any time soon!

If you are used to having a car, but won't have one in the future, then now is the time for long term plans, isn't it - schools, homes, jobs, etc all need to be reachable without a car.
The problem is that jobs have become concentrated in cities, but people can’t afford to live there. You’re bonkers if you think everyone will be able to buy a city centre property and get a school place there, or alternatively that employers are going to relocate from cities to create jobs in areas where there is affordable housing and schools (ie the non city places where most people live).

I'm not sure why you're not understanding what people are saying, if there isn't the infrastructure for them by 2030 it WON'T happen.

I’m sure loads of people would love an electric car but can’t afford it. I’m in Ireland and they are €50,000 to €60,000 just for a normal electric car. That’s way out of reach.

Instead of long charge times you should be able to drive up to a fuel station and swap for charged ones.

batteries need maintenance so would benefit from being serviced regularly and disposed of properly.

Newer petrol and diesel cars can do around 200,000 plus miles now, not like 10 years ago. My 9 year old car I bought new only has 70k on the clock. There isn't the infrastructure yet, I'm very rural so like a lot of people I will be looking to buy another petrol car before the new rules come in. I don't have the money for options. Public transport is patchy near me at best.

I could move close to work but I have no company loyalty so I can't keep moving house. Dh works in our hamlet and has for decades. Don't want to bring kids up in a city and can't offord a house big enough for our kids in a city. Life is messy.

I'm actually toying with buying a classic car right now. At some point maybe it will cheaper to convert it. Whatever I do my next car is going to be a tiny super Mini petrol for costs.

@Lunar270 you are talking absolute bollocks! There is zero chance of this legislation still being in place in 2030. Petrol and diesel cars will be sold indefinitely. Hell half the cars already ordered may not have been bloody delivered by then at the rate car manufacturers are currently going.
There is no way the infrastructure will be in place. Nor the batteries. The mining of minerals for batteries takes place in some of the most volatile places around the world and is in no way remotely environmentally friendly. Don't be fooled by the bullshit that electric cars are in any way better for the environment- they are not. Not least because the resources being used to produce the electricity in the first place funnily enough are still fossil fuel based! So your rubbish that electric motors are more efficient is ridiculous. Unless that electricity has been produced using all renewable sources (and don't include solar in that because the panels themselves are not environmentally sustainable) then the efficiency is exactly the same.

Electric cars are just another method of green washing. Stop being fooled by the bollocks being spouted!

Electric cars are greener. Wrong! They are not!
Batteries last the lifetime of the cars. Wrong they won't!
Old batteries in old cars have a second life as home battery storage so are completely recyclable. Wrong they will be dead!
The infrastructure is constantly improving.
People who can't afford new don't need to worry as they won't have to buy for another 20-30 years. Wrong! Very few cars are economical to run beyond 20 years.
Electric cars are simpler and easier to repair. Wrong! They are not!

Sadly it's not me that's deluded as all the above is fact. Almost every one of your posts here have been incorrect. The only people deluded on this thread is yourself @Lunar270

As a self employed carer providing care for people in their own homes in a very rural area how do you propose I continue without a car?

not goinf to happen and bouler ban isnt going to either,not in 2030 anyway.

its hogwash like run out to the nearest supermarket car park and get a clot shot-this fear p0rn the gov likes to do is so obvious when they are doing it

Or people who don't have driveways or parking directly outside their houses. It's not just flats

If the goal is for people to plan their lives around living nearer everything they need rather than waiting half an hour to recharge a car then why are we building all these new housing estates out of town.
No one has thought anything through.

Plus how will you charge it even if you have an electric one.
Im sure you wouldn’t feel right using an elderly persons electricity.

It’s a question worth asking your employer.

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen I'm self employed!!! I don't have an employer!

🤯so how will you charge it.?
What does this mean for elderly people getting care at home.

Im guessing though your clients don’t all live so far away that an overnight charge would be sufficient. If you and your local electricity substation can take the extra loud of everyone recharging at night.
This is all looking so much more complicated that the Govn are making out

Slightly off subject here and I know I’m going to sound incredibly mean but I am worried visitors ( bit isolated so I doubt there will be lamppost chargers here) are going to expect to recharge their cars using our electricity.
With the cost of electricity not likely to reduce hugely how would MN feel about this.
Is that a very mean thought.

You keep repeating that people need to start planning OP but not everyone has the ways and means to do anything about it. Moving to a city isn’t an option for everyone. Moving costs thousands and there aren’t vast swathes of empty homes in cities and built up areas for everyone to move into. Most people don’t have a spare £40k in the bank to purchase an EV, especially after the price of practically everything has gone up.

I haven’t seen a mass mobilisation to install electric charging points anywhere. Public transport isn’t feasible or affordable for everyone. It would also be massively detrimental to the economy.

Sorry to disappoint you but it simply won’t happen. No Government will force this through without the infrastructure in place to do so. There would be protests up and down the country if they did.

You also seem to forget that other countries way bigger than ours are chugging out way more pollution and don’t appear to be in any rush to stop doing so. None of the world’s Governments seem willing to address this properly because it isn’t a vote winner. The main driver for them is the economy. There is too much short-term decision making. This is what has landed us in the current predicament we are facing with the energy crisis.

I think unless they make councils put up charging point on every street, they will have to make the deadline at least 5 or 10 years later. I live in a flat where the on street parking is too far away from the block for home chargers to be used, it will not be practical to provide enough on street charging for everyone if everyone has an EV. Maybe make hybrid vehicles only from 2030 & EV only from 2040 at the earliest.

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen it would mean the end of affordable home care for the majority. People simply won't be able to pay what it costs.
As it stands the agencies already won't travel to the areas I work in because it's not cost effective for them to do so. There is already a huge shortage of care workers everywhere- but even more so in rural communities.

A friend has a Tesla as a company car. He recently drove from London to Norfolk for a work function.

When he arrived at the hotel he asked where their charging point is. They said their nearest one was a couple of miles away at Tesco. So he left his car there over night and had to get back to the hotel. He was charged £10 for charging it but also ended up getting a parking ticket costing £70 as he left it in the Tesco car park too long.

He appealed without success.

That's an example of why it's going to be a long time before the country is ready!

It wont happen.

There is neither the infrastructure to build the batteries nor the power stations built to run the power to charge them.

Thats before you add in the fact that most electric cars dont run far enough for the average long distance driver to have one without extending the journey a shit load to alllow for charging.

Like most government things it will get pushed back until its scrapped as everyone wakes up to the fact that electric vehicles arent the bastian of sustainability they pertain to be due to how they are manufactured and the power to charge is produced.

Whilst poorly worded the OP is making a fair point. There are issues with the wide scale adoption of electric cars which need to be addressed and they are suggesting we raise them and petition government to solve.

not sure why so many people assume you need a personal charging point. You don’t have a personal petrol pump right? Petrol stations will have to adapt and increase charging points dramatically and there will need to be investment in charging infrastructure.

electric cars aren’t a silver bullet for solving all pollution issues but they do reduce particulate emissions at point of use.