to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

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I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

Last September I was at a car dealership with a relative who was picking up a hire car which they
also did. Saw a notice but can't remember which car brand possibly Nisan but they were stopping making diesel cars in 2025 which surprised me a bit.

Do you really imagine the market will be awash with nearly new cars, at affordable prices, just ahead of the deadline?

I'd have thought anyone with a nearly new car will be hanging onto it or, if they are selling, they'll be expecting a really inflated price for it to fund their replacement electric vehicle.

Hopefully that doesn’t happen. It’s a nice idea but I couldn’t afford a new electric car or a second hand petrol one (if they’re going to massively rise in price). I’m disabled and can’t use buses, trains, bikes or walk so I guess I’ll just give up work and become a shut in 😂

Electric cars aren't as green at the moment as people are making out. Batteries don't last the life time of the car and can't be disposed of in an environmentally friendly way. It will be delayed as other people have said, there just isn't the capacity or infrastructure to accommodate it. And to say "plan for it" is just not living in the real world. Lots of people are living day to day regards to money and older petrol cars are easier/cheaper to fix and mostly, you can fix minor stuff yourself, unlike new electric cars.

100% THIS! ^

Of all the people I know, only one has an electric car. They also keep a diesel one. Just in case.
The government will back pedal on this as soon as the election rolls around. Partially because it’s simply not feasible supply wise and will do damage to their tax revenues.
When people are struggling to (buy food), rent, never mind buy, the last thing on many of their minds is going to be “where do I charge the car?”.

Our most recent away-from-home charging experience cost us £23 and added a whole 90 miles to the range. And electric cars never give the number of miles they say they will; use the car heater, it eats up miles and same if you use the air-con. EVs aren't any sort of replacement at the moment and I believe it'll be years, if not decades, before they are. The cost of public chargers is now stopping us from visiting family, having day trips and holidaying in the UK. If this happened to everyone, businesses in tourist areas would have to be adversely affected.

I laughed when I saw a recent EV ad that claimed the car could be fully charged in super-quick time, less than 30 mins I believe, but the small print stated that there are hardly any charger points capable of this rihht now, and the few there are are on motorways. Fat use that is. And I bet they're all in the south east.

If I could get rid of my electric car without having to fork out a fortune, I'd do it tomorrow.

Worked many years in car sales, and I can categorically say that we will not be fully electric for a good 50+ years. Simply is not sustainable, especially for working class people like myself. Electric cars are almost double petrol cars and diesel is still hugely in popular demand because you get so much more mileage than a petrol

100% not this.

Sadly still too much misinformation and fake news. It's always amazing how intelligent people can be so gullible.

I have a better solution. Urban dwellers to be banned from car ownership altogether unless they have a disability or other compelling health reason. Rural residents carry on as they are.
No need for private transport if you have the facilities of the town on your doorstep is there

This has been raised/discussed on the ulez thread. Not all urban areas are equal when it comes to public transport. I used to live in zone 5 of tfl. It was great, I rarely needed to use my car, had a choice of tube and mainline stations to London and elsewhere, and a bus station within a mile of my flat. Compare to a relative who lives in zone 3 (so very urban) and they have nowhere near the same provision of public transport.

And what about carers, hcps, shift workers in factories and warehouses (most of those are usually not in residential areas) - even transport staff might need to drive to and from the terminus to actually facilitate the first and last trains or buses of the day.

So did the 'everyone will have a smart meter by 2020' mantra. 😆

The government and the big bully energy companies like British gas and OVO etc, realised it's actually completely unrealistic to make everybody have a smart meter - because (SHOCKER!) not everybody has the internet - (no they really don't,) and even some people who do - have a poor signal ... like we do because we live very rural. And many people in blocks of FLATS can't have a smart meter. They have tried, but the signal is so shit (because high rise!) that they never worked!!!

I've had British gas trying to bully me into a smart meter for the last 5 years ... it's not gonna happen, and nobody's going to bully me into an electric car either ... I'll die before I accept an electric car from anybody and let go of my petrol one. Fuck that. 😝

Better to be gullible than deluded like you.

100% this. NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN.

We asked our water company to go onto a meter 4 years ago.
Then we got a letter saying everyone was getting one within the next 2 years anyway. We're still waiting!!

Well exactly! And also where in the name of holy fucking pigshit are people going to get £30,000 from for an electric car ??? When they can't afford to feed their kids, heat their home, and pay the fucking ever rising mortgage rates... Fuck me sideways! Are people really this obtuse that they think people can pull £30K out of their arse just like that?!

Sadly noone could've anticipated Russia causing so much trouble. Previously you could charge for 13p/kWh. Now it's 79p. That's over 10x what I pay at home (7.5p/kWh).

So I take the rough with the smooth as it costs me £2 to charge and gives me 120 miles. That's £6 to do the same as my petrol car, which costs £40 to fill up. So the occasional expense is tolerable and still cheaper than public transport.

My electric has gone down recently so expect public prices to come down too.

My cousin is on a terraced street with a trial of electric points outside every house along the kerb. She has a bollard type thing that is put into one of the many sockets and it is registered to your house. She likes it.

Electric cars are greener.
Batteries last the lifetime of the cars.
Old batteries in old cars have a second life as home battery storage so are completely recyclable.
The infrastructure is constantly improving.
People who can't afford new don't need to worry as they won't have to buy for another 20-30 years.
Electric cars are simpler and easier to repair.

Sadly it's not me that's deluded as all the above is fact. Almost every one of your posts here have been incorrect.

Yet another non viable policy that will have to be deferred🙄….. yes, we need to be green but the govt needs a healthy dose of realism.

I think we are actually going to have to get used to the idea of not having cars at all. The energy produced by making electric cars is ridiculous and not helping the environment- plus replacing take the infrastructure to support etc. ppl living in cloud cuckoo land if they think we are all going to keep our cars and not make major lifestyle changes to help planet.

We’re already an EV family, and happy with it.

20mins to charge for 300mile range!

These cars go on fire and are hard to put out and are increasing as more folks buy them and down right dangerous and as far as you all think they are not as green as you all think.

BMW are thinking of pulling the plug on them but we shall see there.

Lithium batteries are mined by kids just so you can have an EV eh.

As for a bus or train service unless you live in a major city or town you’re fucked as they are none existent.

yeah 2030 is a pipe dream

What is the POINT of this anyway when they are ultimately fuelled by coal (the electric is generated by burning coal)??!!!

And terraces with on street parking. I read something about putting in new street lights with built in EV chargers. Not a bad idea, but where is the money for it? And if they’d wanted to have it done by 2030, they should have started ten years ago.