Am I being unreasonable to thinks MN has become full of blokes lately?

[hopelessmum1]

I have been absent for a while and I am suddenly seeing lots of blokes usernames. Could yous not go and create a Dadsnet or summat so women can talk freely and openly without being monitored by men? @mumsnet

Are you going to take that same attitude because black mummsnetters are also 'speshul'. Or grans, the Irish etc.

Or is it just reserved for men?

I think that misses the point. The type of men the site would be better without are on here precisely because its a woman dominated site. If your purpose is to try to insult and offend as an outlet for misogyny, to attempt to discredit and dilute discussions on women centred topics, or to get titillation from posting about sex to anonymous women, it's pretty important to have a female audience.

Wow, hysterical and bitchy eh?
I haven’t heard anyone using those dripping in misogyny, terms, for a long time.

There's a difference between not announcing you're a man, which is nearly always irrelevant; and actually lying that you're a woman. Which is often used as a technique to give weight to derogatory statements about women. "I'm a woman and I've only ever been harassed by other women" "I'm a female stripper and I can assure you we love it and the men are perfect gentlemen, its the women you have to watch" and so on. And the latter is easily spotted.
I think its a bit disingenuous to make out you can't see the difference. I would certainly credit an intelligent well intentioned man with the ability to make the distinction.

On reflection though, I think it says a lot for MN as a power for good for women if the MRAs feel sufficiently threatened to try to sabotage the site. They have very little influence, as so much of what they post is either so unintelligent it can't be taken seriously, or so tediously repetitive it can be skimmed over with an eye roll. And probably better that they're sitting typing their nonsense in their mums spare room than out being a nuisance to women in real life.

Just reserved for the men!

I dunno. I don't really like the idea that men post here, although they clearly do. I love thinking that it's just women here, is that so bad?
There are some notable exceptions, but there have been days when it seems as though every other thread I open has been started by a man and it just gets a bit...tedious.

5128gap
You make a good point.

What I find funny about MRA/manosphere types is that they seem to hold women with utter contempt, can't stand the idea that women might support each other to identify awful male-pattern behaviour, but don't realise that the reason a lot of women won't like them is because they embody toxic male pattern behaviour.

😂 no worries

Agreed and that we don't GAS what their opinions are anyway. Might as well be shouting into a void.

I don't know if that's true but I'm on a specific car forum aswell and the couple of ladies on there are positively welcomed with open arms.Its natural that men want to mix with women ,especially if they are parents.Would you prefer if i wasn't here? My latest thread about my daughter being essentially bullied by a couple of older men where she lives in a Mews would you prefer I hadn't released that.I've got no one else to talk to about it , my wife closes down, my few male friends well they'd probably glaze over and let's get on with the card game puppy probably......
Say if I was Monty Don , he's lovely, everyone loves him.If I came on , talked about bugs, diseases and funghi being allowed to naturally exist in the garden because we should be inclusive with all nature even though they'll eat most of your veggies would you prefer it if i wasn't here?
Why don't you want men here if you don't mind me asking.
I want to release a thread about my epilepsy and coming off my pills would you prefer it if I didn't?

if Giggle doesn’t work out, then there is still clearly a market for a women only forum, plenty of women clearly want one.
just because Mumsnet want men, doesn’t mean somewhere else can’t be women only.

It’s nothing personal. 🤷🏻‍♀️

And so what? What I say doesn’t go, so ….

Not in France (see recent thread)

I think you need to look into the origin of the word 'hysterical'.

I think the use of highly misogynist language is extremely relevant on a thread about men being misogynistic on a forum used primarily by women.

As a perimenopausal woman, that word describes me perfectly at times. Yes I know the origin of the word. My womb may not be actually wondering around my body causing trouble but it does feel like it at times and yes that is how some people behave on here.

@Puppytrashedmysofa you are of course allowed to be here. However are there no other mixed forums you could go, if this was women only?

Women do enjoy having a space where they feel surrounded by other women.

Women often give more support than they get, because some people don't pull their weight. Whether it's lonely people expecting a chat, or troubled people wanting support, it's usually a woman they approach. It can get tedious.

No, sorry. Its lazy and unintelligent. If you think a poster has wildly overreacted to something you should be able to be able to use your own logic and reasoning to frame an intelligent rebuttal. Insulting them or implying their views are rooted in a hormonal imbalance when you know nothing about their gynecological condition is just a lazy dismissal, and as irrational as you're accusing them of being.
You as an individual may be unable to debate without emotion or irrationality, but you are not every woman.

Ah indeed not @5128gap Neither is every man a misogynist without any useful insight to make on a public forum. That comment has also been lazily and unintelligently made in this thread.

Where on this thread has anyone said that 'every man is a misogynist'? Can you quote the post/s that say that?

Except it isn't a board for women and never, ever has been.

I thought this had been done to death! Apparently not.

Oh please. It's mumsnet. Of course it was created with women (mums=women) in mind. There's plenty of us who would rather not have men here, and I would question the motives of any man who sees mumsnet and thinks "that's the site for me". At best they're relying on women for emotional labour, at worst they're here to stir shit up. Won't convince me otherwise.

It is implied. Anyway the voting appears to be quite even despite the majority of comments being against men being on here. Men 'inserting' themselves into threads as someone has just written ⬆️ with disgust.

If that comment has been made then I've missed it. If that comment had been made I would disagree with it. Not every man hates women. Men can indeed contribute usefully to public fora. However this is a thread discussing how the behaviour of some men is spoiling the experience of MN for some women. For some women, this has contributed to a preference that MN be a women only space.
Your counter argument to that appears to be than men are necessary on MN because without their input women's hormonally driven irrationally would run unchecked. This is lazy and unintelligent because not only does it ignore the vast majority of female posters who frame perfectly rational arguments, but also because you are resorting to using women's biology in an attempt to discredit them.
If you truly believe women become 'hysterical', irrational etc due to their hormones, how do you reconcile that with being permitted to continue in your job? Would your students not be better served if you were replaced with a rational unemotional man?

Oh please. It's mumsnet. Of course it was created with women (mums=women) in mind. There's plenty of us who would rather not have men here, and I would question the motives of any man who seesmumsnet and thinks "that's the site for me". At best they're relying on women for emotional labour, at worst they're here to stir shit up. Won't convince me otherwise.

This has come up time and time again. Mumsnet has massively outgrown its original narrow parenting remit and is now one of the most lively online forums that covers the whole range of human existence, including parenting. It even has a dedicated section for those who are TTC - many of whom are obviously not (yet) mums.

You can Google almost anything and MN will very frequently be one of the top hits. I've accidentally ended up on countless other forums before (haven't stuck around, because they're nowhere near as good as MN) when I've had an issue or sought information about something and it's on that particular forum that (my search engine tells me) they are covering that particular topic.

Parking and neighbour disputes, dog walking, opinions about TV programmes, rising prices at Aldi, weird things you find in your hedge, how to get a deep-set stain out of a sofa cushion, employee rights, holiday accommodation and travel, gardening, wallpapering, cooking... these and endless other topics are regularly covered on here, none of them requiring people to be a mum/woman/parent to show an interest in.

Do you believe that all the women on MN are also relying on other women for emotional labour or trying to stir shit up? A small proportion of both sexes come on to MN (like all non-private online forums) to do this - and when they do, they are reported, deleted and sent packing, as well they deserve.