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Everyone loves her-how do you become like this?

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Backinthesummerof1995 · 23/07/2023 09:52

One of the school mums/women in my area is so loved by everyone, super popular but in that nice way as in, people just adore her. She’s v confident and quite loud, but also great fun and a genuinely nice person.
I know lots of people with a great bunch of friends, but almost literally everyone loves her and she has friends in every set of people. I’ve not seen this to this extent before. They write things on her sm (birthday etc) about her being a truly beautiful person inside and out.
How do you become a person like this?

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/07/2023 14:45

I think there is a friendly/sociable gene.

l uploaded my dna from ancestry U.K. onto some decoding website. I had this gene.

Lifeomars · 23/07/2023 14:47

I have a friend similar to this, she is totally lovely, so easy to talk to, very genuine and caring. She has great empathy and self awareness as well as being physically very beautiful. I met her though work and although we no longer work together we still have a good friendship that I really value. She does not gossip or bitch about people. The only person I knew who didn't like her was one of our senior managers who I belive felt threatened by her talents and popularity. This manager actively worked to undermine my friend and it was horrible to see. So good and popular people are not universally loved, they can be disliked by people who feel threatened and/or jealous of their popularity.
When we spend time together I always feel better for it, I can tell her anything and I know that she will listen with real attention, this is a truly rare quality. Now, as for me, I know I am empathetic and have always been popular and generally well liked, but I can be a bitch and have to work hard at not being a gossip. I like to think that one of my saving graces is being able to acknowledge the less pleasant aspects of my personality and actively work on correcting them.

HowWeDo · 23/07/2023 14:54

Hergee · 23/07/2023 14:04

@HowWeDo that’s perhaps the nicest message I’ve ever read on here. So chuffed to read how far you’ve come, and you’re an inspiration to us all. I hope your life just continues to get ever better by the day and week.

So very lovely to receive your reply, @Hergee, thank you and bless you! I wish you all the happiness in the world.

Mayhem3 · 23/07/2023 14:59

SerafinasGoose · 23/07/2023 13:42

There are clearly views of women that certain women take and I don't share. 'Bitch' is one that I see frequently used on this site; 'fake' is another.

There is no such character attribute as 'fake'. Phoney behaviour is something everyone does to some degree - sometimes even with the best of motives. We all adjust our behaviour according to the people and situation we're in. By this definition we are all 'fake'. If any one person behaves completely without variance, on a good day and a bad day - is one thing to all people - then with good reason people are far more likely to be cynical of this than, for example, the sort of people who don't have a bad word to say about anyone. People are leery of the difference, can see through it, and are far more likely to be question the former than the latter.

It's amusing to see the third-person 'we' associating yourself with the 'nice' people by virtue of being friendly to someone's face and not 'bitching' about them behind their backs. IMO, not engaging in this form of duplicitousness is a fairly basic standard of common decency.

In sum, you and I clearly have a vastly different understanding of the word 'nice'.

However, rather than somewhat patronisingly ascribing this to a want of understanding on your part, I accept that this is merely a difference of opinion. Best put it down to that, and avoid further derailing the thread.

I find it odd that you’re falling over yourself to appear to be as supportive as other women as possible but yet contradict yourself by implying that this women is being deceitful because apparently no one’s perfect and it’s not possible to be genuinely nice.

The fact that you think this woman is being fake in some way just because she’s nice and the fact that you contradict yourself says everything.

Stop trying to be something your not, treat others as you’d want to be treated and then people will like you more.

LaffTaff · 23/07/2023 14:59

My Dad is like this, everyone loves him. He is always curious and never judgemental (I heard that quote on Ted Lasso, and thought it really fit my Dad) and he is kind and (I think this is the clincher) very, very patient.

HowWeDo · 23/07/2023 15:00

FlyingMonkeyNever · 23/07/2023 14:26

What a lovely post. You were clearly always this lovely, even as a child ❤️

I’m so glad you were able to receive some pleasure from post, that makes me happy.

And you are delightful! 😃

NotQuiteUsual · 23/07/2023 15:01

Everyone says I'm lovely and a breath of fresh air. Making surface level friends is easy because I'm pretty witty and confident. The secret is trauma 🤣 I can hide any negative emotions and am sickeningly positive. People love it. But in reality they don't actually know me, I only show the good sides in public.

oh but one thing anyone can do is never say anything negative about people to anyone but immediate family. Always compliment people behind their backs too.

awaynboilyurheid · 23/07/2023 15:02

Charisma is the reason, my Dad was like this people loved him he was genuinely happy for people always kind and everyone loved him, he didn't have a bad bone in his body He had strong political opinions a staunch socialist in a golf club with lots of Tory voters yet he never bent his principles and enjoyed a political debate, I might make them think a bit more was what he said. Once we were in Barcelona trying to get on a tourist bus and the young Spanish man who was in charge was getting frustrated at the hordes of tourists all clambering on not listening to him , as he pointed for them to sit upstairs , my dad gave him a sharp pat on the cheek said aww son your having a bad day aren’t you ? He looked surprised then melted , speaking away in Spanish to my dad neither spoke the language but in an instant he had his arm round my dad’s shoulder like a friendly uncle and nephew and they were both shaking their heads laughing! This is the X factor, you couldn’t cultivate it some people just have it.

SerafinasGoose · 23/07/2023 15:02

Mayhem3 · 23/07/2023 14:59

I find it odd that you’re falling over yourself to appear to be as supportive as other women as possible but yet contradict yourself by implying that this women is being deceitful because apparently no one’s perfect and it’s not possible to be genuinely nice.

The fact that you think this woman is being fake in some way just because she’s nice and the fact that you contradict yourself says everything.

Stop trying to be something your not, treat others as you’d want to be treated and then people will like you more.

Tedious.

BumWhisperers · 23/07/2023 15:03

Theres a man in our village who thinks he is this type of person, and some people are taken in by him, the rest of us just smile and nod. When he walks away the smile slowly drops and we sigh with frustration/relief that hes leaving.
I would imagine this woman is the same - someone with fingers in all the pies gets annoying just because theyre always there, even if they are actually lovely!

MrsRachelDanvers · 23/07/2023 15:05

I know someone like this. And it is absolutely genuine, she!s wonderful. She’s genuinely interested in everyone, very positive, resourceful in a crisis, makes ann effort for people she likes and is not frightened to speak up when something isn’t right. The secret is to genuinely like other people and not be worried about showing your true self. I love her and her wonderful family-she is far too extrovert to copy-I could never be her, but she is a pleasure to know.

GardeningIdiot · 23/07/2023 15:18

HowWeDo · 23/07/2023 13:57

I have accidentally become this.

I was almost mute as a child, plagued with crippling anxiety. My childhood was a mixture of abandonment, neglect, poverty, and occasional abuse.

My self esteem was in the negative. I didn’t take good care of myself, I didn’t know how to, I didn’t think I had enough value to bother. Sometimes I weep when I recall the pain and loneliness I experienced for years on end.

I’m probably neurodivergent in some way.

Overtime, I slowly schooled myself through self help books, and people facing jobs that forced me out of myself. I approached learning to communicate with people like a life long school project. Then it became habit and I never stopped.

I have learned:
Be scrupulously clean, presentable, and smell great.
Smile.
Think of others first.
I’ve diligent learned manners and etiquette and observe them till they became natural.
I approach people wondering what exciting things they might tell me or I might learn from them.
I don’t sweat the small stuff.
I like making people happy and making them laugh.
I’m comfortable in who I am and also comfortable for people to take me or leave me as I am.
I have a palpable sense of excitement inside me a lot of the time, which is sometimes mistaken for sexual energy.

I only wanted not to be so mute and anxious, and to learn to become comfortable committing and being understood so I can get through the practicalities of life in order to survive.

It seems though, after 30 plus years of consistent daily hours of study and practice… I’ve accidentally become “popular” and “confident”.
I’m still baffled to be described as such. People assume I was born this way.
My mental image of myself is still as that quiet forgotten child sitting in the corner by herself.

Yes, you can definitely become something like this. It’s not easy, it took a lifetime for me, and you still feel like the child you inside sometimes. I need lots of alone time, I got used to the solitude and the silence.

It is genuine, not fake, but I consciously learned it, and it has improved my life immeasurably, I never would have believed I could come this far. My old school teachers and peers would be in disbelief!

This is amazing, @HowWeDo.

Would you be willing to start your own thread to explain a bit more?

I'm not aiming to be adored, but just to improve things to a fraction of what you have achieved.

💙💙

FlyingMonkeyNever · 23/07/2023 15:20

HowWeDo · 23/07/2023 15:00

I’m so glad you were able to receive some pleasure from post, that makes me happy.

And you are delightful! 😃

Awww thank you.
I think we’d be friends IRL 😃

I think it’s empathy. You’ve either got it or your haven’t. It explains a lot in life, history (wars, etc).

I don’t agree with the pp who said that most or a lot of religious people are lovely.

Booksandwine80 · 23/07/2023 16:51

I know a couple who are adored in this way. Despite the fact they have both cheated and she is a narcissist. A handful of us see through them both but everyone else idolises them 🙄

DrSbaitso · 23/07/2023 17:02

Booksandwine80 · 23/07/2023 16:51

I know a couple who are adored in this way. Despite the fact they have both cheated and she is a narcissist. A handful of us see through them both but everyone else idolises them 🙄

What has either of their cheating got to do with everyone else?

Booksandwine80 · 23/07/2023 17:10

DrSbaitso · 23/07/2023 17:02

What has either of their cheating got to do with everyone else?

The fact that everyone sees them as the perfect couple and an example of how marriage should be

KittensandPerverts · 23/07/2023 17:13

NotQuiteUsual · 23/07/2023 15:01

Everyone says I'm lovely and a breath of fresh air. Making surface level friends is easy because I'm pretty witty and confident. The secret is trauma 🤣 I can hide any negative emotions and am sickeningly positive. People love it. But in reality they don't actually know me, I only show the good sides in public.

oh but one thing anyone can do is never say anything negative about people to anyone but immediate family. Always compliment people behind their backs too.

That sounds so contrived and exhausting!

DeeCeeCherry · 23/07/2023 17:16

Why would you want to be like that? You've either got it or you haven't, craving outside validation when you've just not got the charisma to invite that into your life, just leads to unhappiness. I suppose it may be nice to be liked by everyone but being liked by genuine good friends and family seems a better way to me.

DrSbaitso · 23/07/2023 17:16

Booksandwine80 · 23/07/2023 17:10

The fact that everyone sees them as the perfect couple and an example of how marriage should be

You're the only one who knows they've both cheated?

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 17:17

DrSbaitso · 23/07/2023 17:02

What has either of their cheating got to do with everyone else?

Because it's part of their personalities and shows that they give the air of perfection but that's partly maintained by affairs rather than their marriage breaking up

DrSbaitso · 23/07/2023 17:18

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 17:17

Because it's part of their personalities and shows that they give the air of perfection but that's partly maintained by affairs rather than their marriage breaking up

Oh, you know them too? How do they give this "air of perfection" if their cheating is common knowledge?

Hawkins0001 · 23/07/2023 17:20

DrSbaitso · 23/07/2023 17:18

Oh, you know them too? How do they give this "air of perfection" if their cheating is common knowledge?

Well obviously they have confided in some of there close friends about the affairs but to others they give the air of perfection.

Thepeopleversuswork · 23/07/2023 17:20

Totaly · 23/07/2023 10:14

You put other people first and make the comfortable

Totally disagree with this tbh. Putting other people first all the time is a fast road to being taken for granted and no one respects someone who always puts themself at the back of the queue.

Being a good listener and genuinely engaging with what other people say in conversation is a really good life skill and that will make someone popular but that's not the same as putting other people first.

If anything I actually think the less you worry about other people and what they think, the more popular you are likely to be. No one likes a people pleaser (apart from abusive men).

Lowri1989 · 23/07/2023 17:22

I am seen like this. Described as popular since school days, loads of people wanting to be my friend etc.
But it's all an act I put on and I secretly struggle socially (suspect I have ASD).

Cheesyfootballs01 · 23/07/2023 17:26

Backinthesummerof1995 · 23/07/2023 10:38

So interesting! Humans are strange and fairly weak really, with what they cling to..with social status etc..why does it even matter 🤷🏻‍♀️

It obviously matters to you as you are on here asking how to be like her!

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