JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

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I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

Are the 30000 all JSO protesters, because if so then yes I definitely would rather they die than a babe in arms?the

In fact if that was my son needing urgent hospital treatment I'd have run them over whether I'd have been in trouble or not. I wouldn't have cared one jot if some tarquin's brains ended splattered all over the tarmac if it meant saving my child's life.

In fact given that they have said in interviews that they think it it ok for their actions to murder people, I think it should be legal to mow them down. If you think about it, every JSO member despatched by a motorist is one less drain on the planet so slaughtering them is effectively an environmental act in itself.

They're just a bunch of attention seeking wankers. Their protests are causing damage to environment by cars sat idling and people taking longer routes to avoid them. Their protests are turning people off of environmentalism. people actually actively hate them. I'm starting to wonder if they are actually shills for the oil industry given what a good job they are doing of making people despise environmental activism.

And as for being conditioned to use cars, what utter claptrap. My fifteen minute commute by car this morning would have taken nearly two hours by public transport. It would have involved 3 buses and 3 long walks as a lone woman in the early hours of morning to an area where there have over the past few years been a series of rapes. It's got nothing to do with being conditioned, it has got everything to do with weighing up the practicalities on moving between two locations, safely and efficiently.

Just like that mum was trying to do with a sick baby. There is no excuse for the way JSO behaved. They are self involved monsters and nobody should be excusing their histrionics.

@ivykaty44 it's on YouTube. I don't know how to do the link but type JSO stop cyclist and it's the top one.

@ivykaty44 How long did it take you to cycle to your holiday abroad where you witnessed famine? Or did you choose to kill people by travelling via car, bus, train, boat or aeroplane?

Don't burn tyres. Not pleasant for anyone. (I know you wouldn't, really.)

I had the same reaction when Extinction Rebellion glued themselves to a tube train in the rush hour. Public transport! Mass transport! Far greener than driving. Used by ordinary working people of all income levels just trying to get to work or school or to hospital appointments. Why would you target the Tube?

Big apologies, I quoted the wrong post 🙈.

Are the 30000 all JSO protesters

no thats the likes of you and me and a few other thousands, COPD and lung cancers will be the main culprits

I believe @ivykaty44 has a camper van. She’s certainly poster about camper van trips to Europe before.

I would have sent the others in the car out to move the obstruction if my baby was genuinely very poorly and called 999. It’s easy for the press to generate outrage if we aren’t critical of what we see.

@anotherside

Here is comparison of USA to U.K. see why you cannot apply USA papers about what the USA has not done and needs to do to the U.K.?

@MillicentBystandr

Sigh, another one that has swallowed the eco-facist pill of doom

Not at all. I’m going about my life same as always. And I don’t agree that tearing down pillars of modern civilisation overnight (oil, transport, air travel, animal farming, etc) is a good idea even if it were feasible which it clearly isn’t. But that doesn’t mean that I need be ignorant to the facts or have my head in the sand either. Climate change is massively serious and the generations born from today onwards will be be feeling the effects hugely - with of course those born in richer countries somewhat better protected from the consequences.

That was supposed to be my second point but my meno brain forgot it whilst writing the first

We've taken taxi to A&E because it was quicker to get one than an ambulance - I did say this very early on this thread.

For routine we've done depending on location bus and train but it's not always straight forward and sometime it is easier to do taxi or get a lift. I know this because I've bloody lived it.

Frankly having taxi as a possible rare resource means it's possible to actually not drive.

Now I would have though London would be easiest place to get to hospitals without car for routine appointments as public transport is much better than rest of country - but having experienced odd timetables and long distanced drop off points and odd thing that exists because it's common there's little joined up thinking it may be even in London there was a bloody good reason to take a taxi.

MN usually terribly judgy towards none drivers like DH and I so it's a surprise to find so many posters blaming the mother or accusing her of lying because she had misfortune to encounter illegal protestors blocking roads when she took a taxi to get her baby to hospital.

I rarely drive, about 1000 miles a year and cycle mostly

I am not a mother myself, but I was shaken even seeing the panic of that mother.

What gets me is this: why do they not do things like release computer viruses to cripple Chinese coal-fired power stations? Fund actions to send someone undercover to sabotage all the polluting plants? Or take action, but on another thing, which would earn them brownie points? Like setting up a JSO Ambulance service to DRIVE MOTHERS WITH SICK BABIES TO HOSPITAL WHEN THE AMBULANCE DOES NOT SHOW UP?!?

Incidentally, I noticed that they did not dare protest during Charles's coronation. Funny that? I think someone high up said: protest this and you are in jail for a decade. Plebs with babies... not so important, alas...

Was it them who put a bathtub on a motorway and stopped someone seeing their dying relative?

So you kill people with your car.

How did you travel abroad?

I don't know the stats but in inner London it's extremely common not to have a car and to rely on public transport, cycling, walking, taxis/Ubers and schemes like Zipcar where you can hire a car for a short period. In outer London it's harder because the stations are wider apart and the bus services aren't as good.

What an idiotic question.

It’s not an either or. Killing 2 people by wilfully obstructing them from accessing a hospital won’t magically clean up our air. And how somebody can be so lacking in decency and empathy to self-righteously imagine it would is beyond me. And I’m saying this as somebody who’s in favour of, and actively campaigns for, clean air.

@Soontobe60 And that kind of disbelief leads to this.......

https://twitter.com/riverstour/status/1681607241575591937?s=20

So they are happy to move if you can show them proof of the medical appointment. So this is where we are now Having to show a complete stranger your medical paperwork so you can get to your appointment Which is supposed to be confidential
Papers please!!!!!

Peter Bleksly is right. JSO are a cult

And if you were driving alone? 999 could advise, but beyond that they wouldn’t be able to do anything actually practical, in many areas of London even suspected strokes are no longer too priority due to strain.

All very valid questions/points.

@Budikka Wanna know where the Met were the day that the JSO protester got thumped? Outside the Houses of Parliament arresting JSO protesters for preventing MPs getting into work. More two tier policing just like Coronation Day

Ah, so they want others to stop driving, but they make journeys that aren’t vital over hundreds of miles. They must travel further than camper vaning unless they go for weeks at a time to personally witness famine on holiday.

Quite.

I don't drive at all nor have I been on a plane in over 20 years.

I have had to take occasional taxi to A&E or for hospital or a few other locations over 18 years of being a parent - it happens. If I couldn't do this then I would have to drive.

I'm completely behind more public transport and better air quality - I'm asthmatic so really am - blaming a mother for taking taxi a hospital is disgusting as is stopping one from getting there IMO.

JSO are disgusting. Claiming that they're doing it because our children will all die yet happy to see a child suffer at their own hands.