JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

[TRexTara]

I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

@anotherside well if it's already too late what is the point of just pissing everyone off.

Yes, BECAUSE of the shit that XR, JSO and so on have put them through the past few years. As I said, they are alienating the public. They are setting back the green movement massively.

You said Just Stop Oil aren't saying a few people dying because they hold up the traffic is better than the world dying. I pointed out that @ivykaty44 is more or less saying that right here. I don't know if ivykaty belongs to Just Stop Oil, but judging by her belligerent stance on this thread she's clearly in sympathy with them.

They need a better PR team. Their tactics are so loathsome that many people are switching off and ignoring all messages about the seriousness of our environmental crisis. The oil companies and governments who don't want to tackle environmental issues must be rubbing their hands in glee as they see the effect JSO and their ilk are having.

And if the hospital is more than a few miles away, how exactly is the mum supposed to get her newborn baby there? Teleport? 🤦🏻‍♀️

I’m not convinced that this situation is being reported correctly either. If I had a newborn with a health emergency, I’d call an ambulance. I wouldn’t take a chance on the congested streets of London in an Uber. And my poorly baby would not be out of my sight.

Sigh, another one that has swallowed the eco-facist pill of doom. 💊

The video is widely available on other platforms, are you incapable of googling?

do you have the news article or footage?

It doesn't really matter how stupid you think people are though. If you want to effect change you need to get people on your side, even the ones whose intelligence levels you look down on.

@MillicentBystandr

Scientific American
Nov 2022

”World leaders, activists and some scientists say the 1.5 C target is still feasible—barely, but at least it’s technically possible. But it would require an immediate and colossal effort to bring emissions down, by at least 45 percent over the next 10 years.

It would be unlike anything seen so far. Millions of gasoline cars would likely have to disappear from roadways, fossil fuel power plants would close or be adapted to confine their carbon, and forests and wetlands would have to be protected from chain saws and development.

Then there’s this: Carbon dioxide would need to be pulled out of the sky.
Despite those challenges, the 1.5 C target continues to be the center of focus at current global climate talks in Egypt.

The 1.5 C goal “is on life support, and the machines are rattling,” said U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres at the opening ceremony of the conference in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, on Monday. “We are getting dangerously close to the point of no return.”

Yet many scientists privately believe the world has already hit the point of no return. And some say it’s time to make that message public.”

It’s tricky to maintain sympathy for JSO cause when you watch those videos

@ivykaty44

I work in wildlife conservation and am all for protecting the environment/tackling climate change. I can think of hundreds of better ways to raise awareness/get attention than putting a baby's life at risk.

Do you honestly think that JSO's actions on that road have provided a wonderful contribution to saving the planet efforts? That thousands of children's lives have been saved because someone blocked a taxi carryinf a sick baby to hospital? Nope. They just cause no end of damage to the cause.

As a resident of London, unless the baby isn’t breathing etc getting yourself to hospital in a car is much quicker than waiting for an ambulance. If I was stuck in traffic due to some JSO fools I wouldn’t just sit in my car looking at my baby, I’d see if I could take action to get her to hospital.

Don’t you have a van, or is it a caravan? I remember a post from you the other year on this. Seem to recall something about camper van conversions or a caravan?

@HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas no? I don't? I think you're confusing me with someone else. I've also not been in mumsnet long enough to have posted about something "the other year"

Two thoughts about this

1. However many people are dying due to climate, using that as a reason to kill another is never justified. It’s not a “well they are dying so you can die” tit for tat.
2. Anybody who acts like these protesters are not going to change general public opinion.

@Kendodd

If your methods are making people turn their backs on your cause, then you need to change your methods.

@AIBot and how many hours to get through to someone to request an ambulance let alone actually waiting for the ambulance.

@MillicentBystandr

Also, one of the graphs showing significant CO2 emissions decline between the 50s and today is of the UK per capita. Branches of science don’t care about per capita. If five people throw one grenade per capita at a garden shed that isn’t any better for the shed than two people throwing two grenades each.

@ivykaty44 it was on the news a couple of weeks ago. I'll try to find it.

What do you suggest they do then, that would get the same publicity? People are already dying because of climate change, and the government are still licensing new oil and gas facilities. People are also dying every day because of the appalling state of our NHS, and yet as a country we have voted the same government back in, repeatedly. What actually would change anyone's mind?

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/24/over-20000-died-western-europe-heatwaves-figures-climate-crisis

Scientific American is a USA publication and the USA is one of the worst offenders when it comes to CO2 emissions. They certainly have done next to nothing. They certainly need to do more. Their per capita carbon emissions are almost triple that of the U.K. To put this into context we are emitting less carbon per capita now that we did when everyone rode horses…yes pre railways and pre-cars.

But we are not the USA, we are the U.K. We are like chalk and cheese.

How far away was the hospital from Acton?

It wasn't even a choice between a baby and 30,000 people. The person blocking the taxi was not single handedly saving 30,000 people in the process. He was however, stopping a sick baby getting medical treatment.

Yes, they do care about per capita emissions. What a silly thing to say. The other graph shows total emissions have been cut by almost half despite massive population growth.

Thanks