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JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

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TRexTara · 22/07/2023 12:38

I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

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Tuckwit · 22/07/2023 15:45

ivykaty44 · 22/07/2023 15:18

Well, this gives you the measure of them, doesn’t it.

what would you choose then?

30000 a year dying or 2 people each year

So you would be happy to sacrifice 2 people from your family

Soontobe60 · 22/07/2023 15:46

Clymene · 22/07/2023 13:36

Are you saying it's not true? Confused

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What we do know is that a woman told protesters that she was taking her new born baby to hospital, that she was in a car with at least 2 other adults and a baby and that protesters were slow walking in front of the car she was in. I’ve not seen anything yet to prove one way or another that what she was saying is actually true.
I’m sceptical, purely because I’d most likely say exactly the same thing if I was stuck in a car behind the protesters, just to try to get them to let me past.

Kendodd · 22/07/2023 15:47

I usually have full support for JSO/Insulate Britain/Extinction Rebellion, including their tactics, but absolutely 100% should have let this woman through.

I really wish some of the anger directed at JSO for stopping this child getting to hospital could be directed at government for stopping thousands of people getting to hospital and running the health service, including ambulances, into the ground.

And as for posters saying these tactics make them care even less about environmental issues, I have no words for how unbelievably stupid you are.

anotherside · 22/07/2023 15:47

@Lunde
If JSO were true environmentalists then they would not be wearing plastic high-vis jackets and carrying plastic banners that are all made from oil

This kind of argument is ridiculous. It’s like:

“If you believed that capitalism was a good system you wouldn’t give money to charity “.

”If you liked animals you wouldn’t eat any meat”.

“If you liked children you’d have had at least ten of them”.

“If you disagree with the Chinese government, you wouldn’t have a single Chinese made product or part in your home”

All as logical as your comment.

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 22/07/2023 15:47

RJ2023 · 22/07/2023 14:58

Absolutely not.

I am saying that if there wasn't a red flag the consequences would have been so bad that the attention and focus from the media in the aftermath would have solved the issues with the ongoing protests.

For that reason I am sad that there was a red flag.

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What? You are sad multiple fatalities were prevented because it would have solved climate issues? But you say not, so I am confused as to what you are saying?

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 22/07/2023 15:47

BubziOwl · 22/07/2023 15:28

But that's exactly my point. It doesn't change my opinion because I already care about climate change. I buy almost exclusively second hand for absolutely everything and have done since I was 15, I write to my local mp (in vain) about bloody everything, I have never eaten meat and I am deliberate in picking food with low carbon impact. I take public transport wherever possible. Honestly you name it, I probably do it or at least try to do it.

But it's not me they need to convince is it? It's people who currently don't really care that they need to convince. And stopping a mother getting a sick baby to hospital is not going to get anyone like that on board.

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Don’t you have a van, or is it a caravan? I remember a post from you the other year on this. Seem to recall something about camper van conversions or a caravan?

Flanell · 22/07/2023 15:48

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/07/2023 15:17

Flannell

You didn’t ask if they had been in the same situation. You asked if they had children. Implying someone without children wouldn’t be able to empathise with the mother while someone with children would.”

I’m sorry but I can’t be responsible for your interpretation of what I said specifically to another poster.
I imagine it is easier for a mother to feel empathy with a person who is also another. Of course that doesn’t mean childless people can’t feel the same way. The particular poster clearly has zero no empathy with the woman in the film. I can’t help that you chose to be personally offended.

I imagine that’s the view of JSO towards those of us who do not agree with their methods.

Soontobe60 · 22/07/2023 15:48

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 22/07/2023 14:11

I’ve seen interviews where they said they wouldn’t let an ambulance through as they have a point to make and one or a few people dying in traffic jams is better than the world dying. So they say they’re justified. Nutters.

No you haven’t 😂

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/07/2023 15:50

ivykaty44 · 22/07/2023 15:18

Well, this gives you the measure of them, doesn’t it.

what would you choose then?

30000 a year dying or 2 people each year

@Soontobe60, we've got someone saying almost exactly that right here on this thread.

ivykaty44 · 22/07/2023 15:51

Tuckwit · 22/07/2023 15:45

So you would be happy to sacrifice 2 people from your family

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you answer first, which would you chose , one baby or 30000 people? then i'll answer your question

babbscrabbs · 22/07/2023 15:51

TRexTara · 22/07/2023 13:25

There was another video on Instagram I think of a man getting out of his car and physically attacking one of them, then it looks like he kicks the man in the head but I think he is actually kicking the phone out of the mans hand. But what had happened is that they caused a traffic incident and accident, you can see the side of the mans car is completely smashed up. He has to pay for that now.

I don't normally condone any sort of violence, but in this mother's case I would have lost my shit.

You can't blame people walking slowly for two cars crashing into each other? At least one of them must have been driving recklessly. Part of being a driver is being aware of hazards around you an adjusting your driving accordingly.

anotherside · 22/07/2023 15:52

@HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas
And stopping a mother getting a sick baby to hospital is not going to get anyone like that on board

People seem to assume JSO is trying to “win over the public”. Is it? My impression is they’re more simply trying to keep the issue in the headlines (“all news is good news” so to speak).

As for “winning over the public”, I’d have thought

  1. The vast majority, especially those over, say, 30, already have extremely entrenched views on the issue and won’t be changing their lifestyles unless politicians impose changes upon them.

  2. Individuals making small ground up changes isn’t going to cut it anyway. Meaningful action at this stage has to come from governments, and be international in scope.

SkiingIsHeaven · 22/07/2023 15:53

They stopped a cyclist the other day. He wasn't condoning the use of oil. Just shows how it's nothing to do with oil or how stupid they are.

I agree we need to care for the planet but their actions make me want to go outside and burn a tyre.

ivykaty44 · 22/07/2023 15:53

Soontobe60 · 22/07/2023 15:48

No you haven’t 😂

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haveyouheardofaroadatlas - is correct they have said this in an interview

MillicentBystandr · 22/07/2023 15:53

Bumblebeetree21 · 22/07/2023 15:35

I don't like what happened to the mum and child, but certainly would not use this to judge negatively on all environmental protesters.

We really are in a climate emergency that will effect us all, I have been to a country where there are already famines because loss of habitat and temperatures rising. The children there are already suffering - this is not future, this is already happening. We are one planet, let's do what we can as individuals, but what we need is change from governments and big organisations. Protests have and can achieve big change for us all.

What do you mean “there are already famines”? There have always been famines, these are not new.

There is no need to do any protesting in the U.K., are in the top 3 countries globally for slashing our carbon footprint to combat climate change.

Big change isn’t needed here.

Soontobe60 · 22/07/2023 15:54

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/07/2023 15:50

@Soontobe60, we've got someone saying almost exactly that right here on this thread.

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I’m sorry, what do you mean?

Soontobe60 · 22/07/2023 15:56

ivykaty44 · 22/07/2023 15:53

haveyouheardofaroadatlas - is correct they have said this in an interview

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HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 22/07/2023 15:57

anotherside · 22/07/2023 15:52

@HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas
And stopping a mother getting a sick baby to hospital is not going to get anyone like that on board

People seem to assume JSO is trying to “win over the public”. Is it? My impression is they’re more simply trying to keep the issue in the headlines (“all news is good news” so to speak).

As for “winning over the public”, I’d have thought

  1. The vast majority, especially those over, say, 30, already have extremely entrenched views on the issue and won’t be changing their lifestyles unless politicians impose changes upon them.

  2. Individuals making small ground up changes isn’t going to cut it anyway. Meaningful action at this stage has to come from governments, and be international in scope.

Why is my username at the top of this? I haven’t said that, not my words! Please quote the right person.

Dontcallmescarface · 22/07/2023 15:57

I find it very odd that JSO supporters have smart phones....imagine their shock when they realise what materials are used to make them....or is that a "special" sort of plastic ?

Kendodd · 22/07/2023 15:58

MillicentBystandr · 22/07/2023 15:53

What do you mean “there are already famines”? There have always been famines, these are not new.

There is no need to do any protesting in the U.K., are in the top 3 countries globally for slashing our carbon footprint to combat climate change.

Big change isn’t needed here.

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In the recent election, voters voted AGAINST improved environmental protection and reduced pollution that is actually killing people, including children, now.

MillicentBystandr · 22/07/2023 15:58

anotherside · 22/07/2023 15:42

I can sympathise with the general view that JSO are fking annoying in the manner of some of their protest and that their tactics are probably not helping solve climate emergency.

But then I also sympathise with the view of JSO that politicians and big business are doing virtually nothing to counter the climate emergency, simply kicking the can down the road and spouting a load of hot air when the time for radical policy is right now.

In 100 years, JSO will be the tiniest of footnotes on articles and books regarding the effects of climate change in the 21st century, while 99% of articles will focus on politician inaction, corporate greed and corruption, mainstream media silence (again, follow the money), and the devastating effects of what we considered as the reasonable status quo.

JSO will probably be viewed historically as an ineffective fringe protest group with questionable tactics but correct in their views. The Mail, the Sun, and the rest of the media and political establishment advocating head in sand policy will be viewed 1000x more harshly.

JSO’s view that nothing has been or is being done by the U.K. governments is a big fat lie. Look at the data, do you think these sorts of reductions just happened? Note the consumption based line- this line counts the carbon footprint of everything we import from China and around the world. So the JSO line that we have simply “off shored our carbon” is yet another big fat lie.

As I said, anyone who listens to JSO will know less about climate change than they did before hearing their twaddle.

JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
anotherside · 22/07/2023 15:58

@SkiingIsHeaven

I agree we need to care for the planet but their actions make me want to go outside and burn a tyre

But the fact that you think it’s about “ caring for the planet “ suggests that you haven’t grasped the scale of the issue one little bit.

The unavoidable warming we are already on course for due to insufficient action over the last few decades will already by catastrophic for 100s of millions of people, and of course catastrophic for significant parts of the natural world.

And If we continue as is for another couple of decades it will be catastrophic for literally billions if people. This isn’t about caring for the planet - for future generations in certain regions it’s already an existential crisis.

EpicChaos · 22/07/2023 15:59

Dontcallmescarface · 22/07/2023 15:57

I find it very odd that JSO supporters have smart phones....imagine their shock when they realise what materials are used to make them....or is that a "special" sort of plastic ?

Well, whaddya expect? That's narcissistic hypocrites for ya!

Simonjt · 22/07/2023 16:00

Dontcallmescarface · 22/07/2023 15:57

I find it very odd that JSO supporters have smart phones....imagine their shock when they realise what materials are used to make them....or is that a "special" sort of plastic ?

Or when they tell people on a forum about their travels abroad, I do hope they walked or cycled to get there.