JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

[TRexTara]

I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

Well, this gives you the measure of them, doesn’t it.

I think it was the war that got women the vote.
The deal being women will take the mens work whilst the men are at war on the basis women get the vote after. They waited ten years for all women to get it though.
The protests helped but essentially it was the war.

No, previously here (I live in zone 1) they have purposely stopped cyclists and they have pusher cyclists off their bikes. Obviously it would be hard to push a bike taxi over, they’re not safe for very young children, plus due to not being able to weave in and out of traffic, they’re no faster than the other road users in front of them. They’re also unsuitable for a wide range of disabilities, my husband has a disability and is unable to use a bike taxi.

Flannell

You didn’t ask if they had been in the same situation. You asked if they had children. Implying someone without children wouldn’t be able to empathise with the mother while someone with children would.”

I’m sorry but I can’t be responsible for your interpretation of what I said specifically to another poster.
I imagine it is easier for a mother to feel empathy with a person who is also another. Of course that doesn’t mean childless people can’t feel the same way. The particular poster clearly has zero no empathy with the woman in the film. I can’t help that you chose to be personally offended.

They are nothing like the suffragettes! JSO are nothing but spoilt, hypocritical, middle class, wasters and scum!
They are causing an obstruction ( again! ) which is a criminal offence and they should be treat with that in mind. The police have an obligation to do their job and clear them and they should be making damn good use of their truncheons upside the heads of those blocking traffic!

I bet those involved with JSO don't live in caves - i can't see any of them not using cars/using central heating in winter/going on their foreign holidays/eating food that has been delivered to shops in lorries, etc.

If the police won't deal with them, people dealing with them in their own way shouldn't be answerable to the law! That's peoples lives and livelihoods they're messing with!

Well, this gives you the measure of them, doesn’t it.

what would you choose then?

30000 a year dying or 2 people each year

I have more sympathy for JSO than most I think, and I suppose I see their point (even if I don't agree with it) that they are trying to stop more deaths than the deaths their protests might cause...

But woe betide anyone who came between my child and their path to the hospital, especially a baby as they can take a turn for the worst so quickly. I can't believe that they wouldn't get out of the way for a poorly baby.

I agree with others that this sets environmentalism back.

No sorry, it wasn’t the suffragettes, it was the suffragists who won the vote for men and women.

I agree with others that this sets environmentalism back

does it set them back - or is it an excuse to ignore the climate changes/pollution issues and berate them for bring it to our attention constantly?

surely its up to us how we see environmentalism and we wouldn't be swayed on something we truly believe in?

Oh do take your hyperbole elsewhere @ivykaty44 !

is this your message board suddenly? is it not a public board with different opinions?

That wasn’t the deal. The only reason Parliament allowed a few women the vote when men were given universal suffrage for the War, was as a trial and they limited it to older, married women because the suffragettes and done a great job convincing the public that younger women without the guidance and calming hand of a husband were dangerously unhinged and liable to fling themselves into the paths of horses and vehicles or go around letter bombing innocent families.

Thank you for that very full explanation. I live in ruralish Scotland, a bicycle taxi would be a traffic hazard.

It’s not swaying me. I’ve done tons for the environment over my career and have been green since I was 16 (in the 1980s).

That’s why I know JSO are full of shit and I can see that they are alienating everyone that was slightly green to on the fence.

What have they actually brought to our attention though? I know no more about climate change due to these protests than I did before, and I'm now also hostile to the whole topic. I find their actions despicable.

But that's exactly my point. It doesn't change my opinion because I already care about climate change. I buy almost exclusively second hand for absolutely everything and have done since I was 15, I write to my local mp (in vain) about bloody everything, I have never eaten meat and I am deliberate in picking food with low carbon impact. I take public transport wherever possible. Honestly you name it, I probably do it or at least try to do it.

But it's not me they need to convince is it? It's people who currently don't really care that they need to convince. And stopping a mother getting a sick baby to hospital is not going to get anyone like that on board.

^ This and the average person who believes JSO’s rhetoric and doom mongering along with mistakes in fact will actually know less about the environment after listening to them.

This. 100%, those in power tended to see the suffragette movement as confirming that women were “hysterical” and shouldn’t be given the vote. It was the more moderate suffragists that successfully pushed the cause.

... and public transport in London is very inaccessible if you are disabled. It p*ssed me off no end that I had to take a car on a trip, despite it being 4 stops on the tube, because the stations were not accessible

Really?

I don't like what happened to the mum and child, but certainly would not use this to judge negatively on all environmental protesters.

We really are in a climate emergency that will effect us all, I have been to a country where there are already famines because loss of habitat and temperatures rising. The children there are already suffering - this is not future, this is already happening. We are one planet, let's do what we can as individuals, but what we need is change from governments and big organisations. Protests have and can achieve big change for us all.

If JSO were true environmentalists then they would not be wearing plastic high-vis jackets and carrying plastic banners that are all made from oil

I can sympathise with the general view that JSO are fking annoying in the manner of some of their protest and that their tactics are probably not helping solve climate emergency.

But then I also sympathise with the view of JSO that politicians and big business are doing virtually nothing to counter the climate emergency, simply kicking the can down the road and spouting a load of hot air when the time for radical policy is right now.

In 100 years, JSO will be the tiniest of footnotes on articles and books regarding the effects of climate change in the 21st century, while 99% of articles will focus on politician inaction, corporate greed and corruption, mainstream media silence (again, follow the money), and the devastating effects of what we considered as the reasonable status quo.

JSO will probably be viewed historically as an ineffective fringe protest group with questionable tactics but correct in their views. The Mail, the Sun, and the rest of the media and political establishment advocating head in sand policy will be viewed 1000x more harshly.

@Bumblebeetree21

" I have been to a country where there are already famines because loss of habitat and temperatures rising. "

Oh have you now?!
How did you get there? did you walk? What was the carbon footprint for that trip, including everyone else that went?
Perhaps you shpould reflect on your own behaviour before you have the temerity to lecture anyone else!

How was the mum meant to get her baby to hospital @ivykaty44?

I live 20 miles away from the nearest hospital. Live in a rural area with little public transport, how should I get to hospital if not by car?