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JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

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TRexTara · 22/07/2023 12:38

I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

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StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 18:04

Comparatively we are doing well though. There’s loads of charts posted below.

They show the U.K. factually not through lobbyists’ language

LittleApartmentOnThePrairie · 23/07/2023 18:05

StefanosHill

The CCC aren’t lobbying.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 18:09

They have an assigned purpose, of course they are there to push their aims

That language is not factual or useful.

I can only take info from people who are really factual and clear

There’s so many people dialling up what they say for effect I just have to filter. That JSO press release is mad but the CCC suffers from it too

BordoisAgain · 23/07/2023 18:30

LittleApartmentOnThePrairie · 23/07/2023 18:02

We do not have our house in order!! Bullshit. We are investing in and subsidising new oil. We are not investing in renewables nearly as much. We are not insulating our homes. We are not collectively reducing our consumption. We are one of the worlds highest carbon emitters when you consider us globally.

So what are protests that increase the amount of carbon being emitted doing exactly?

AIBot · 23/07/2023 18:31

I agree @LittleApartmentOnThePrairie - but the thread seems to be descending into a situation where some posters are planting misleading or false statements in order to make people feel that the UK has done enough and to encourage apathy.

Do people reading this thread trust the UN, the Met Office, NASA, universities, the Royal Society or randoms on a message board?

Causes of climate change

The evidence is clear: the main cause of climate change is burning fossil fuels such as oil, gas, and coal. When burnt, fossil fuels release carbon dioxide into the air, causing the planet to heat up.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/causes-of-climate-change

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 18:37

AIBot · 23/07/2023 18:31

I agree @LittleApartmentOnThePrairie - but the thread seems to be descending into a situation where some posters are planting misleading or false statements in order to make people feel that the UK has done enough and to encourage apathy.

Do people reading this thread trust the UN, the Met Office, NASA, universities, the Royal Society or randoms on a message board?

How are they false when the posts are including charts?

I’ve just opened your links talking about climate change generally. I know about that. I’ve changed my habits due to that.

I don’t need convincing it exists

MaybeNextTime8 · 23/07/2023 18:44

Honestly, many people are going to die due to climate change - it's just not as

MaybeNextTime8 · 23/07/2023 18:46

Sorry, posted too soon! Just not as immediate as someone caught in traffic. I don't always agree with their methods, but it's a serious issue for us all

BordoisAgain · 23/07/2023 18:49

For the avoidance of doubt. I know climate change exists, I know we (globally and nationally) need to reduce carbon emissions.

I don't accept that the protests by JSO are doing anything to achieve anything and are hypocritical, self-serving and counter-productive.

Sigmama · 23/07/2023 18:56

Op, they are not 'winding everyone up and making the uk angry', they are winding you up and making you angry, as well as some others, but thankfully you are not everyone

DdraigGoch · 23/07/2023 18:59

We are one of the worlds highest carbon emitters when you consider us globally.

42nd on the list if you're measuring per capita, or 12th in gross terms. So not in the top ten by any definition. What the differences between the metrics is that the average Brit is reasonably clean, it's the sheer number of us that is the issue. This country is overpopulated and overcrowded.

We can (and should) do better, of course. I notice that France is doing a fair bit better than us, whereas Germany's emissions are appalling. France is mostly nuclear powered, which Germany burnes lignite; we should follow the French example and build nuclear power stations.

I don't expect that many JSO protesters are part of Greens for Nuclear Power though.

JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
DdraigGoch · 23/07/2023 19:02

What the differences between the metrics tell us is that the average Brit is reasonably clean
That should have read.

MillicentBystandr · 23/07/2023 19:14

LittleApartmentOnThePrairie · 23/07/2023 18:02

We do not have our house in order!! Bullshit. We are investing in and subsidising new oil. We are not investing in renewables nearly as much. We are not insulating our homes. We are not collectively reducing our consumption. We are one of the worlds highest carbon emitters when you consider us globally.

We are investing in and subsidising new oil.
Ok, so “new oil” is not “more oil”, they’re a key misunderstanding you are not getting. Yes, we are licensing new sources of oil because each oil well does not have a limitless supply of oil. In total, even with the new oil sources, we will be using much less oil.

We are not investing in renewables nearly as much
When you view the £ investment in terms of return on investment by energy produced, we are investing more into renewables than into oil & gas. The proof is in the fact that 50% of our energy sources are now carbon zero renewables, up from 20% since 2010.

We are not collectively reducing our consumption.
Yes we have been and are. See charts (which I realise I have posted to you almost a dozen times now. You need to look at them.)

We are one of the worlds highest carbon emitters when you consider us globally
No, we are right at the world average for per capita, but this includes countries with low incomes, no infrastructure, high disease burden, war, malnutrition and so on. Compared to our peers in terms of the quality of life we have and infrastructure, the other high income countries, we are emitting less than HALF that average. JSO and XR don’t like that because it proves we do not have to sacrifice our modern lifestyle to reduce carbon emissions dramatically (more charts)

JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.
MillicentBystandr · 23/07/2023 19:22

AIBot · 23/07/2023 18:31

I agree @LittleApartmentOnThePrairie - but the thread seems to be descending into a situation where some posters are planting misleading or false statements in order to make people feel that the UK has done enough and to encourage apathy.

Do people reading this thread trust the UN, the Met Office, NASA, universities, the Royal Society or randoms on a message board?

Right, every link you have posted is to a FAQ on the existence and cause of climate change. Not one of those organisations you listed has come out and claimed that the U.K. has not done enough towards reducing climate change causing emissions. Not one.

Talk about misleading!

ATerrorofLeftovers · 23/07/2023 19:47

Sigmama · 23/07/2023 18:56

Op, they are not 'winding everyone up and making the uk angry', they are winding you up and making you angry, as well as some others, but thankfully you are not everyone

If you think the majority of the UK population condone preventing babies from attending hospital appointments, stopping ambulances conveying desperately ill people to hospital and people being by the bedside of their dying parent, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

The majority of people are decent people with a sense of common humanity. Getting their backs up with idiotic, short-sighted student-level ‘protests’ that achieve the square root of fuck all that’s of any practical use is massively counterproductive. It’s switching people off from being concerned about climate change and making it look like a fringe subject only extremist idiots are interested in.

Don’t confuse the seriousness of climate change and the need to take action urgently with effective protest. This is serious enough that we need nuanced, intelligent pressure and to move the Overton window so that it becomes an issue on the doorstep when politicians come canvassing. It’s not an issue where any old shit will do.

ivykaty44 · 23/07/2023 20:16

MillicentBystandr · 23/07/2023 17:55

What? Of course the cost of investment, operations and maintenance is a factor driving how much money renewables NEEDS or does not need!

so if oil is more expensive you think £20 Ben more should be spent? Make up your mind

noodlebugz · 23/07/2023 21:05

They’re just making everyone hate them. It doesn’t bear thinking about the what ifs if that baby had been super unwell. (I took my baby in a taxi to the hospital this year, he deteriorated in a and e and ended up in resus though I really don’t think we were ambulance unwell when we set off for hospital).
I bet the oil companies are finding just stop oil as it just makes them come accross as a bunch of out of touch soulless p**s that it really damages any genuine environmental cause.

noodlebugz · 23/07/2023 21:06

Edit - FUNDING

Sigmama · 23/07/2023 21:50

Aterrorofleftovers - nowhere did i say 'the majority of uk population condone preventing babies attending hospital appointments', not sure where you got that from. Traffic jams existed before jso.

Isinglass20 · 23/07/2023 22:12

You don’t think the Sun has an agenda? Think Hillsboro. Think dog whistle politics and the aggro whipped up in these posts.
These are random acts by JSO because IMO lack of leadership by those in power looking to dump their green agenda because they are in hoc to oil companies. Suffragettes caused problems for the non property owning working classes who got the vote because of their huge sacrifices of life in WW1.
So where does power lie? The French take direct action in the streets. The Brits too apathetic and most don’t vote anyway so we are screwed at the mercy of big oil company lobbyists and RW parties

BordoisAgain · 23/07/2023 22:19

*Hillsborough

And it was the suffragists not the suffragettes, as has already been pointed out a few times already.

Pootle23 · 23/07/2023 22:23

ivykaty44 · 22/07/2023 14:43

you've been conditioned to only travel by car, but im the foolish one. its quicker to travel by bike taxi than it is by motorised taxi in London - but don't let fact get in the way of your poor insults

Seriously, with a sick newborn.

You are expecting a sleep deprived mother of a newborn to sit down calmly and think about how to get to the hospital that would be the most environmentally friendly way.

Unbelievable!

Just out of interest, how are us plebs in the Countryside meant to quickly get to hospital which is a 50 minute drive away? Walk or cycle along the dual carriageway …we do not have buses (well we do have one go through our village twice a day), trains or bike taxi as a choice…

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2023 22:31

And once more for the ones trying to obfuscate

ITS NOT JUST THE SUN REPORTING IT

ivykaty44 · 23/07/2023 22:41

Pootle23 · 23/07/2023 22:23

Seriously, with a sick newborn.

You are expecting a sleep deprived mother of a newborn to sit down calmly and think about how to get to the hospital that would be the most environmentally friendly way.

Unbelievable!

Just out of interest, how are us plebs in the Countryside meant to quickly get to hospital which is a 50 minute drive away? Walk or cycle along the dual carriageway …we do not have buses (well we do have one go through our village twice a day), trains or bike taxi as a choice…

since when is Acton the countryside 🤷‍♀️

RhannionKPSS · 24/07/2023 00:27

Summerhillsquare · 22/07/2023 14:04

But they are not. They are doing it to attract attention to the cause (much as the suffragettes for example did), which as you can see from this thread and others, is effective.

How dare you compare these bloody idiots to the suffragettes!