JSO prevent a mum taking her baby to hospital.

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I don't know what these people think they are achieving. I think the mum was in a cab which looks like an electric car anyway, they refuse to let her get past.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23127608/furious-mum-screams-baby-hospital-just-stop-oil/?utmcampaign=nativeeshare&utmsource=sharebarrnative&utmmedium=sharebarr_native

MillicentBystandr

The figures you quote show some progress. But it is not enough. It’s own advisors say the UK Government are not doing enough. And, there could have been, could be, much more robust measures.

Yet, still the Government has made decision after decision that put the profits of the oil industry first. They have made policies that put profit before people and planet - relentlessly. It’s own advisors say it’s not doing enough.

They really haven’t done that. Yes, more needs to be done but let’s not erase all the good work that has been accomplished so far and is being done.

BordoisAgain

Why the Chinese embassy? We emit more carbon per capita. And we buy tons of shit from China. China are investing VERY heavily in green technologies. Which is exactly what we should have been/should be doing. The ‘what about China’ argument doesn’t wash.

It also doesn’t make sense. Even if the above wasn’t the case. Why compare ourselves to the worst counties and emulate them? Why not look to the countries that are doing well and compare and learn? Or the countries effected first and worst and consider our duty?

Like what? Seriously?! At some point we need to look to the rest of the world to do their bit. The U.K. is less than 1% of global emissions, when we get to net zero in 2050 it will have NO impact on climate change, and NO impact on global emissions. Our house is in order.

What needs to be done is really up to the rest of the world, and upthread I had listed the biggest carbon emitters that have a lot of work to do just to catch up to us.

MillicentBystandr · Today 13:35
Yet, still the Government has made decision after decision that put the profits of the oil industry first. They have made policies that put profit before people and planet - relentlessly. It’s own advisors say it’s not doing enough.

They really haven’t done that. Yes, more needs to be done but let’s not erase all the good work that has been accomplished so far and is being done.

Erm. They absolutely have. There has been some movement in the right direction in the last decade. But not nearly enough.

We (the U.K.) don’t emit more carbon per capita than China.
But I agree in the sense that China is by no means one of the worst performing.

MillicentBystandr

The ‘what about other countries?’ is just a feeble excuse not to change.

I have written to my MP and signed countless petitions over the last decades and my experience is that on those matters it is rare that government has acted in line with what is needed in terms of climate change.

I think the point being made is these idiots wouldnt try this shit in Russia, america or China or Scotland or in lower class areas

So the #1 cause of climate change is CO2 emissions. You are saying we’ve only made progress “in the right direction in the last decade”

Do you think the sort of reductions we have actually accomplished since 1990 would have been possible without the government prioritising reduction of CO2 emissions? By, how did you say relentlessly prioritising profits and oil companies over the environment?

Sorry, but if they had done what you accuse them of, then CO2 emissions would have increased on a business as usual line. They would not have decreased so dramatically.

It’s not an excuse because we have already changed and are on track to get to net zero by 2050. That’s no small feat in a country with the population growth we have. Please look at the data - it is so obvious that we have changed and this occurred over thirty years ago. It’s our history, not our future.

The suffragettes were terrorists of the ISIS variety. They planted bombs in public places (churches, the Theatre Royal, etc) and would've killed loads of innocent civilians had their bombs successfully detonated.

It's literally no better than the Manchester Arena bombing.

They also blinded/severely maimed innocent postal workers who were unfortunate enough to have the letter bombs go off while handling the post.

How is she taking her baby on a bike taxi?

No, they have not. Nothing wrong with oil subsidies or new oil exploration because we need oil for many industries that do not involve burning the oil. If you don’t burn it, you don’t produce CO2 which means it’s carbon zero.

Exactly. Shocking the number of people who think the suffragettes got us thr vote. They set us back. They just claimed credit after the fact. JSO is cut from the same cloth. They’ll set us back and when we keep succeeding despite them, they’ll try and claim credit.

I think the point being made is these idiots wouldnt try this shit in Russia, america or China or Scotland or in lower class areas

Or round here where there are plenty of slurry trucks fully loaded!

Decades of global scientific research, using multiple models, shows without a doubt, that we are causing global warming.

It really, really, really doesn't. I'm not a climate change denier, in fact I have a 30 year history of serious environmental activism. But in the last few years I've actually started to read the scientific papers and the surveys of scientists and have realised that we are constantly been shown the absolute worst case scenario, taken from poorly gathered data, as if it was a sure thing. We are constantly being told that there is scientific consensus, when no such consensus exists.

The main actual consensus is that we have nowhere near enough accurate data or time spent on climatology to have any genuine clue what effect human activity is having on the global climate. It's a field of science in it's very real infancy and we are not a point where we can make anything close to accurate predictions. Any scientist claiming to know for a fact what is happening, is bullshitting. All that exist are theories, early theories, not even true scientific theories. Because, far, far, far too much is still unknown.

It doesn't mean that we aren't causing damage to the environment. Because we are and a lot of changes in the technologies we use need to be made. We are an extremely polluting species and that has very real consequences. We have to get better and until we do, people and other living things will suffer the consequences. But, by focussing on the unknown as if we actually know. By lying about things we can't possibly know. What happens is that we ignore real issues due to looking at a 'bigger picture' that possibly doesn't exist.

Yep, as I said in my post, when they start protesting the people and institutions who actually have the clout to make the changes they want then I might start believing they actually want change instead of their own smug self satisfying virtue signalling.

I would argue that jso are as bad too.

I despair. The is no hope. We are so hell bent on protecting our privileged lifestyle, we are clinging to every possible dubious argument not to change. I always thought that humans would eventually see that they had to change. Only when the last tree…

BordoisAgain · Today 14:07
Yep, as I said in my post, when they start protesting the people and institutions who actually have the clout to make the changes they want then I might start believing they actually want change instead of their own smug self satisfying virtue signalling.

This has been happening for decades. Decades!! It’s time for civil unrest. I’m not part of JSO but I understand their position 100%.

We don't need new oil, there is enough existing stock to meet our needs if we stopped over consuming.

Transportation accounts for about 50% of global oil consumption, so is the obvious place to start.
Industry e.g., operating plant and machinery or using oil as feedstock (which does produce proccess and fugitive greenhouse gas emission btw) is next and accounts for around 25%.
Heating, cooking, power generation accounts for about 20%. The rest is used in various other processes like insulation and cooling for electricity generation / transmission.

Investment should be made in R&D for efficiency improvements or to find replacements / alternatives, not to subsidies the status quo or to find new oil .

You should also check out the work the Global Carbon Project and Carbon Brief have done in the area of greenhouse gas accounting and allocation to see why the view of "the UK only produces 1% of emissions so no need for us to do anything" is an ureasonable position to hold.

https://www.statista.com/chart/24306/carbon-emissions-per-capita-by-country/

The who’s the biggest emitter depends on what you look at. It doesn’t matter. We all need to change and we can lead or we can twiddle our thumbs.

I'd have knocked the guy clean out and faced the consequences once my child had received medical attention 🤷‍♀️

I have changed. Motivated by my dc too. No where near last tree mentality here, quite the opposite. @MillicentBystandr has made some good points though